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resurrection of Jesus / Yeshua

Discussion in 'Culture & Religion' started by Pandora, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    I came across an interesting article.

    A new tablet has been found that talks about the resurrection of the Messiah and it is said to be dated before Yeshua / Jesus was born.

    It could be a fake like the box they found with the name James brother of Jesus and son of Joseph. But it could be real like many other things that have been found. They probably need some time for testing exc.

    Tablet stirs resurrection debate

    The Gabriel's Vision of Revelations tablet is believed to pre-date Jesus

    An ancient tablet shows the idea of the resurrection of a messiah after three days was part of Jewish tradition before Jesus's birth, it is claimed.

    The theory has been proposed by Israel Knohl, a professor of biblical studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

    His reading of the Hebrew text raises questions about when the concept of a resurrected messiah first emerged.

    Questions remain over the tablet's precise origins, however, and some scholars doubt its authenticity.

    The tablet, known as Gabriel's Vision of Revelations, is believed to date from the first century BC. It is believed to have originated from the Jordanian, east bank of the Dead Sea.

    It was discovered 10 years ago and now belongs to a collector living in Zurich, David Jeselsohn, who acquired it in Jordan.

    The tablet is a metre (three feet) tall with 87 lines of Hebrew in two columns.

    Unusually, the text is written onto the tablet, rather than engraved. Some letters, and entire words, on the tablet are illegible.

    'Revolt against Romans'

    Israel Knohl argues that his interpretation of the Hebrew text could "overturn the vision we have of the historic personality of Jesus".

    "This text could be the missing link between Judaism and Christianity in so far as it roots the Christian belief in the resurrection of the Messiah in Jewish tradition," he told the AFP news agency.

    According to Professor Knohl's interpretation, the key line of the text quotes the Archangel Gabriel telling a "Prince of Princes" that "In three days you shall live: I Gabriel command you."

    Professor Knohl argues that other lines on the tablet refer to blood and slaughter as ways to achieve righteousness, which he places in the context of a Jewish revolt against the Romans.

    He argues that the tablet refers specifically to the resurrection of a Jewish leader at the time.

    The professor's theory is not unchallenged. With much of the text missing, debate on the overall meaning of the text on the tablet rages.

    "This text could be the missing link between Judaism and Christianity in so far as it roots the Christian belief in the resurrection of the Messiah in Jewish tradition "



    Ada Yardeni, a specialist in ancient languages at the Hebrew University who has studied the tablet in question, does not agree with Professor Knohl's conclusions - but acknowledges that the key word in the quotation could mean "live", despite being spelt unusually





    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7495006.stm
     
  2. The Scotsman

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    I did'nt know there was a missing link I thought Christianity was an offshoot sect of the Pharisees - they believed in life after death and the ressurection thing is common amongst a lot of religions at that time.....oh well!

    Ironic really but you Christians have the Romans to thank for your religions' survival! It was a squad of Soliders from the 3rd Gallica Legion that saved Saul of Tarsus from a mob of Jews who wanted the sucker dead! The soldiers were called to a disturbance at the Temple and dragged the poor bugger from the crowd then took him into the Antonia in the Temple Complex at Jerusalem - saved his bacon.

    If it wasn't for Saul there'd be no Christianity if it wasn't for the Romans there'd be no Saul.
     
  3. Pandora

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    I think he meant it from the Jewish perspective. Christians see the link perfectly but Jews usually see a group who stole parts of the Torah and twisted it up to fit some new thing they call religion. I think the man was saying from the Jewish perspective there could be a missing link of understanding.

    I dont consider myself Christain. I think most modern christans follow Paul/saul and his teachings instead of Jesus / Yeshua.


    I think if this turns out to be real, it could change things.
     
  4. The Scotsman

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    .....oh boy yeah it would be a real deal!!

    I think I'm going with the shenanigans thing though...what about you?. Tablets turning up in the desert when there has never been any other shred of proof....hmmmmmm.....shenanigans methinks
     
  5. Pandora

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    Well these were found near the Dead Sea; in the same area the dead sea scrolls were found. Between the time the dead sea scrolls were found and this was, there have been other finds that were considered authentic.

    So… I am hopeful 
     
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    According to the documentary Zeitgiest, Joseph of the old testament is basically a prototype for Jesus, sharing a birthday and a virgin birth I believe. I haven't looked it up myself though.
     
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    Joseph, favored son of Jacob (called Israel), dreamer and interpreter of dreams, sold into slavery by his jealous brothers, ended up saving his whole clan, including the brothers who sold him into slavery. Yes, he was a Christ "type". No virgin birth. As for his birthday, and the birthday of Jesus, who knows?
     
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    Virgin Birth is in fact not really talking about Virgin Birth, if you real old Roman and ancient writings, the idea of Virgin Birth was found at, and was not special to Jesus. It was meant as a symbol, not that he was actually born to a Virgin

    And as for Jesus Birth, most like would have been in the spring to summer in the year 04-06

    December 25, was just a pagan Holliday and for it to be true, the whole story would make no sense as no Shepard's would have seen been in the fields with there flocks at night to see the Star...as it was the wrong time of year to be out with them at that time of night. Also the year , we based our calendar on that of a monk who started it 600 years after Jesus....but based on act of numbering the Jews...aka the Census...we know that it was later then the year zero as stated.
     
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    If you are going to say the bible is subject to interpretation then who is to say what interpretations are right?

    If you think it is literal where did Jesuset the Y chromosome from.

    Oh and why doesn't the sea part for people any more etc.

    The bible should be on the shelf marked 'Fiction'.
     
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    Joseph is one of the 12 sons of Jacob. His mother is a normal woman. That movie was wrong :)
     
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    Just wondering if you have ever read it? And why I believe your answer is no.
     
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    It is subject to interpretation. Clearly some of them are bogus. And some are much better. Of course, all we know about everthing is subject to interpretation. Should we stop trying to find the best understanding of our world that we can?
    What makes you think he had one? Perhaps he had a genetic abnormality that caused him to be all man but with a missing Y Chrosmosome. Or more likely your need to naturalize everything is unjustified. We do not know where he got any of his chrosmosomes from. There is no guarantee that his mother even contributed any genes. God may have placed him in her womb with no conribution from Joseph or Mary. Or maybe he did have a genetic contribution from Mary but God placed his Y genes there miraculously.
    Miracles by nature are very rare events. So far in all of recorded history the sea has only parted once. So why should we expect it to ever happen again? you might as well ask why the universe doesn't explode into existence any more.
     
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