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Rules For Radicals

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  1. GenSeneca

    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals
    by Saul D. Alinsky

    [excerpt from the prologue]

    "What I have to say in this book is not the arrogance of unsolicited advice. It is the experience and counsel that so many young people have questioned me about through all-night sessions on hundreds of campuses in America. It is for those young radicals who are committed to the fight, committed to life."

    [excerpt from the opening paragraph]

    "What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away".

    The Twelve Rules for Radicals:

    RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood.

    RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.

    RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

    RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

    RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

    RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

    RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news.

    RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

    RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

    RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

    RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem.

    RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

    Alinsky's several rules of the ethics of means and ends:

    * The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.
    * In war the end justifies almost any means.
    * Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.
    * Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.
    * The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.
    * Generally, success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.
    * The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.
    * Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.
    * You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.
    * Goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace."

    Pragmatism teaches the ends justify the means but states it as a "whatever works" approach to problem solving, this is done to avoid pragmatism being seen for what it is;

    Pragmatism is a complete rejection of morality, ethics, principles and truth:

    Whatever works becomes moral.
    Whatever works becomes ethical.
    Whatever works becomes the principle.
    Whatever works becomes "truth".

    In the mind of a Pragmatist;
    There are no absolutes.
    There are no facts.
    There are no fixed laws of logic.
    There is no truth.

    Only that which is practical is considered useful. This means only the ends are to be considered in evaluating the means.

    For Radicals, such as Saul Alinsky, pragmatism was the ultimate ideology but its flaw is obvious... If there are no absolutes, and therefore no truth, then nothing can be considered practical. In practice this proves true, for what the Pragmatist considers practical today will become impractical tomorrow and must be changed accordingly, Ad Infinitum.

    By rejecting objective truth, whatever one wishes to be true is considered true, provided it works or makes one feel better about the problem.

    By rejecting existence, whatever one wishes to exist, does exist, provided it works or makes one feel better about the problem.

    By rejecting absolutes, such as objective truths, as impractical, pragmatism dooms itself to being the least practical of all ideologies.
     
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    The "expertise" of Radical Leftist forum goers is extremely limited, as a result, they rally around the lowest common denominator (LCD). It is a shame articulating and defending their positions is not the LCD because that would constitute a much more interesting environment for political discourse.

    Calling the Right "hypocrites" or pointing out hypocrisy on the right is one of their favorite tactics. They know that Right Wingers actually have a set of philosophical and ideological principles that are routinely violated by the politicians the Right votes into office so they capitalize on this fact. The Right pointing out the hypocracy on the Radical Left is not as effective, the Radical Left is unprincipled so violating the principles they claim to uphold is all in a days work for them.
    Ridicule... This is the LCD. Not every Radical Leftist can articulate an argument in support or defense of their position but every single one can limit their intellectual output to making snide, sarcastic, obnoxious remarks, and they do so frequently with great joy.

    Think for a moment about those who attack anyone who disagrees as being a {lessor thinking individual}, or a "BROWN SHIRT", or a "RIGHT WING NUT-JOB" while heaping praise on anyone that agrees as being {enlightened}, correct thinking, and not part of the mind-numbed robots... Such people have no interest in articulating their views, they simply know their views are superior and anyone who disagrees is evil and inferior. There is no attempt to justify what they consider as "knowledge", no attempt to rationally justify their opinion of others as being inferior for holding a different opinon. There is only ridicule, the lowest common demoninator.

    I disagree with Alinsky that there is no defense, citing Alinsky and pointing out the tactics of the Radical left is a defense, and it is a defense that pulls open the curtain and reveals the hollow emptiness that is the Progressive movement.

    The WRONG defense is to lower yourself to their level, to reply to sarcastic, derisive one liners with your own sarcastic, derisive one liners, to counter attack when you come under attack... Their tactic is self admittedly irrational and the greatest weapon to defeat irrationality is Rationality. Shine the bright light of truth into the dark void of the Progressive movement, the cockroaches will scurry for cover, simply expose them for what they are by revealing the tactics by which they operate.

    Rule 4 says to make your enemy live up to his own rule book, it's time we hold their rule book against them and use it to destroy the myth of thier power (Rule 1).

    Once again referring to the LCD. I doubt anyone would argue that the Raidical Left thouroughly enjoys employing irrational responses. Like children in the schoolyard, they run around kicking sand in the faces of other kids and pat each other on the back for speaking truth to power. All they actually accomplish is dragging the level of civil discourse into the gutter, that is where the Progressives are most at home, and avoiding, or derailing, discussions about topics that merit rational consideration.

    Everyday you will see new threads with provacative titles attacking some figure or group on the Right. The purpose is not to spark a thoughtful discussion on important issues or topics, they want the exact opposite, to shut down any reasoned debate and clear a path with their Radical slash and burn tactics.

    How many of the threads created in this forum have followed this rule?
    Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Tea Party members etc. etc. The Radical Left excels at ridicule, it is their lowest common demoninator, and having the proper target allows them to rally around the irrational while declaring anyone who does not agree with, and join in on, their irrational behavior as being the irrational ones for not doing so.

    It is no different than rallying support behind a lie and convincing people that the lie is truth because they have found enough irrational people to form a consensus and therefore transform their lie into truth - without regard for reality.

    This is not an appeal to the Radical Left to change their ways. They cannot offer a rational defense of their positions, they cannot articulate their beliefs in a manner that doesn't reveal the blatant inconsistencies in what they say they believe. Every attempt they make to articulate their views results in exposing the hollowness of their promises for a better tomorrow by way blindly following the Radical Leftist agenda.

    My appeal is to those on the Right and any Moderate Leftists, raise the bar. Don't sink to the lowest common demoninator. If your primary puropose here is to make snide, sarcastic remarks, you're no better than the Radical Left. If you believe your ideas, your philosophy, your ideology is superior, do not resort to irrational behavior - That will only drive people away - Prove the superiority of your views by way of making rational arguments superior to those of your competition. Rational men will gravitate to rational arguments, it is only the irrational that gravitate to irrational arguments and irrational behavior.

    Do not respond in kind, that is what they want. Respond with the greatest weapon mankind has to offer, Rationality. Those who cannot articulate their views in a rational manner, who cannot defend their own positions while expecting an opponent to do the same, is not advancing their cause, they are retarding it.
     
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    This is a great thread Gen. It does a very good job of defining the tactics of the left. They have been following these tactics for decades. They demonized Joe McCarthy, but after the release of the Venona Papers he was proven correct.

    This is so true...

    The left has no principles. They only want to win and the ends justifies the means.

    What I find most disappointing is many intelligent people have become useful idiots for the progressive elites. These people do not know what is in store for them.
     
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    Thanks Gipper, I'm glad you enjoy it. There is one wealth that I am eager to share freely, my wealth of knowledge... Which reminds me of a story that's so dirty I'm ashamed to remember it, so I'll leave you with a quote from a Roman philosopher:

    "It is better, of course, to know useless things than to know nothing." - Seneca
     
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    RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." Accuse them of Hypocrisy.

    RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

    RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

    ASPCA, you are the gift that keeps on giving! Thank you :)
     
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    One doesn't have to often drop down to the immature level that you troll around in but its all for fun & you seem to be the master of the 'GAMES'...so enjoy the gutter, you look really nice down there ;)
     
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    Hey Dorothy instead of making a personal attack on Gen, why don't you comment on his posts?

    Oh you can't do that? Yeah that would not be the correct progressive strategy. Now would it?

    Are progressives hard wired with Alinsky's strategies?
     
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    READ POST #5...it all applies to the anointed ones mindset...sorry, you seem to forget to scroll back to the place that you left off to read the other posts :cool:

    One has to have a 'VALUE' to warrant a worthy reply and HERR SENECA has not earned anything close to that 'VALUE' structure yet. His HALO keeps slipping...LMAO ;)
     
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    I did.

    And you completely fall into Gen's description of an Alinsky progressive.
     
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    Gee, that response didn't take a 'CRYSTAL BALL' to see that you would play jester to the imperial Herr Gen...lets see:
    Rush Limbaugh + Glenn Beck + Herr Gen + Gipper = marching all in lock step unison, thinking & regurgitating the same rhetoric...WOW, who knew that those closed minds could function and be in different parts of America...:cool:
     
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    Geez you are the gift that keeps on giving...

    You have learned the principles of Rules for Radicals very well.
     
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    Herr Gen and his gift bag of immature games is quite the prime example...I love to play games...it's like an excellent chess match...you hang around little grass hopper and Herr Gen will be teaching you all sorts of 'GAMES TOO' :cool:
     
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    And as with this agenda driven topic...posted with the specific purpose for Gen Seneca to post a personal diatribe about how he envisions this community forum from his imperial height; Saul Alinsky would think that you were indeed well equipped at spewing the propaganda...you provide so much humor and excellent LMAO moments!!!

    Carry on Herr Gen...you do make so much useless noise :cool:
     
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    If upon your reflection you should ever truly care enough to really read about Saul Alinsky and not fall for the diatribe/cherry picking selection that you've swallowed and groveled at the feet of Herr Gen...then spend some free time actually reading what the man truly stood for and what he wanted to CHANGE about American politics:
    http://www.infed.org/thinkers/alinsky.htm
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    OMG...do I hear shades of our current presidents desires for this great country reverberating in that same..."to work together before they move the the right"...:rolleyes: GOOD GRIEF, my little Gipper buddy, I had such high hopes for your 'free thinking process' and now...I'm so sadly disillusioned to find out that you just follow the Imperial Brown Shirts...LMAO
     
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