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Polls show Palin as a front runner in 2012
Zogby Interactive: Palin Leads the Pack Of Possible 2012 GOP Candidates
Support of Religious Conservatives & Gun Owners Give Her An Edge Over Romney & Jindal
UTICA, New York - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is the slight favorite of Republican voters as the best candidate the party could run for President in 2012. When all voters are asked that questions, Palin falls into a three-way tie with Mitt Romney and Bobby Jindal.
Those are among the findings of a Zogby Interactive poll of 24,964 voters conducted from Nov. 7-18. The margin of error for the entire sample is +/-0.6%.
Voters were offered the choices of Palin, former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, Louisiana Gov. Jindal, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. All but Palin and Jindal were candidates for the 2008 nomination. Voters also could choose someone else.
Here is how each ranked with only Republicans and with all voters.
Candidate
Republicans
All Voters
Palin
24.4%
13.4%
Romney
18.1%
13.7%
Jindal
15.6%
12.5%
Huckabee
9.7%
8.0%
Giuliani
4.9%
5.0%
Paul
2.9%
7.4%
Someone Else
8.2%
20.3%
Not Sure
16.2%
19.7%
Palin's strength is with all conservatives, conservative religious voters and gun owners. Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military. She scores lower among GOP voters ages 18-29, with 15%.
Romney's Republican support level is very consistent across demographic groups. Among his party members, Romney's numbers fall off by a few points from his overall 18.1% with religious conservatives and gun owners. Surprisingly, Palin leads Romney among Republican investors, 24%-20%.
There are no highs or lows among subgroups for Jindal among Republicans. He is a newcomer to national politics, and already has a reasonable base of GOP support.
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee's thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
The interesting finding about Paul is that he is more popular among all voters than he is among Republicans, reinforcing his appeal as a potential third party candidate.
Pollster John Zogby: "While someone other than those we listed could still emerge as Republican contender, GOP voters seem satisfied with this group. Only 8.2% would choose someone else. Despite all of the bad press and late night TV parody of Palin, she still leads the pack. So it is hard to see what could shake the faith of her supporters going forward. If she chooses to run, that solid base would likely keep her in the race through the early primaries. Both Romney and Jindal have appeal to Republicans, with Jindal having the advantage of being the new guy who could bring change to the party."
For a detailed methodological statement on this survey, please visit:
http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.cfm?ID=1380
(12/1/2008)
Zogby Interactive: Palin Leads the Pack Of Possible 2012 GOP Candidates
Support of Religious Conservatives & Gun Owners Give Her An Edge Over Romney & Jindal
UTICA, New York - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is the slight favorite of Republican voters as the best candidate the party could run for President in 2012. When all voters are asked that questions, Palin falls into a three-way tie with Mitt Romney and Bobby Jindal.
Those are among the findings of a Zogby Interactive poll of 24,964 voters conducted from Nov. 7-18. The margin of error for the entire sample is +/-0.6%.
Voters were offered the choices of Palin, former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, Louisiana Gov. Jindal, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. All but Palin and Jindal were candidates for the 2008 nomination. Voters also could choose someone else.
Here is how each ranked with only Republicans and with all voters.
Candidate
Republicans
All Voters
Palin
24.4%
13.4%
Romney
18.1%
13.7%
Jindal
15.6%
12.5%
Huckabee
9.7%
8.0%
Giuliani
4.9%
5.0%
Paul
2.9%
7.4%
Someone Else
8.2%
20.3%
Not Sure
16.2%
19.7%
Palin's strength is with all conservatives, conservative religious voters and gun owners. Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military. She scores lower among GOP voters ages 18-29, with 15%.
Romney's Republican support level is very consistent across demographic groups. Among his party members, Romney's numbers fall off by a few points from his overall 18.1% with religious conservatives and gun owners. Surprisingly, Palin leads Romney among Republican investors, 24%-20%.
There are no highs or lows among subgroups for Jindal among Republicans. He is a newcomer to national politics, and already has a reasonable base of GOP support.
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee's thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
The interesting finding about Paul is that he is more popular among all voters than he is among Republicans, reinforcing his appeal as a potential third party candidate.
Pollster John Zogby: "While someone other than those we listed could still emerge as Republican contender, GOP voters seem satisfied with this group. Only 8.2% would choose someone else. Despite all of the bad press and late night TV parody of Palin, she still leads the pack. So it is hard to see what could shake the faith of her supporters going forward. If she chooses to run, that solid base would likely keep her in the race through the early primaries. Both Romney and Jindal have appeal to Republicans, with Jindal having the advantage of being the new guy who could bring change to the party."
For a detailed methodological statement on this survey, please visit:
http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.cfm?ID=1380
(12/1/2008)
Dawkinsrocks
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That is best condemnation of conservatives I have ever read.
Guns and god.
That is all that matters to these neo-con merchants
Guns and god.
That is all that matters to these neo-con merchants
pocketfullofshells
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look at that picture its perfect....Palin with the words "how Obama got elected" I wounder if she knows she is part of the reason?
Oh Geez, where to start...firstly, I have seen this clip making its rounds, but I had not seen it in its entirety until now. But Calidem, you can post all the national polls you like, the fact of the matter is that for her to be viable, she MUST be re-elected Governor of Alaska in 2010. I do get a kick out of the title of the video, how Obama got elected. GWB and Sara Palin are the two most responsible people for the election of Obama. Bush got him the nomination, Palin got him the White House.
When a year ago, her approval rating has well within the 80s, it is in the 50s. This comes from a few things in particular.
Firstly, in Alaska, we are not used to having our politicians being high profile in the lower 48 and we generally dont like it for a few reasons. Firstly, she was elected to do a job here, and a very important one. We want her to focus on that job. Not campaign for national office. Especially after the actual campaign is over, doing these interviews shows her focus to be in the wrong place.
Secondly and just as important. Alaska is a fiercely independant state, and there are a few things that are universally disliked, and right at the top of the list is whiners. Of which she did nothing but whine the entire interview. It was the media, it was the campaign handlers, I was naive, but they smeared me, there might be sexism. Caroline Kennedy blah blah blah...despite what has happened in the last 12 hours with Kennedy, she is not in a real campaign, and it is only to be the junior Senator from New York. A more fair comparison would be Palin and Clinton. Palin would break down and cry if she got half the treatment Hillary has.
Also, there are plenty of cases where she is being misleading at best, and possibly flat out lying when it comes to her treatment from the local media. There was a time she was the darling of the Alaska media. Ask Frank Murkowski...but when she refuses them interviews that would normally be granted any other time, for MONTHS, I can only imagine that a negative backlash is going to happen. Because instead of setting the record straight herself, or at least being proactive the local media is going to cover what they can.
So to sum it up, doing these interviews only hurts her more at home. Where it really matters. She needs to take her licks like all the other politicians, be straight forward, including about her family, and quit blaming everyone else for the bad stuff that happens.
She blew the Kouric interview, she blew the Charlie Gibson interview, on softball questions. Nobody else. This wasnt "gotcha" questions. Its a shame the fall from grace this Governor has had in the last year, and it is nobody's fault but her own, even if she cant figure that out herself.
When a year ago, her approval rating has well within the 80s, it is in the 50s. This comes from a few things in particular.
Firstly, in Alaska, we are not used to having our politicians being high profile in the lower 48 and we generally dont like it for a few reasons. Firstly, she was elected to do a job here, and a very important one. We want her to focus on that job. Not campaign for national office. Especially after the actual campaign is over, doing these interviews shows her focus to be in the wrong place.
Secondly and just as important. Alaska is a fiercely independant state, and there are a few things that are universally disliked, and right at the top of the list is whiners. Of which she did nothing but whine the entire interview. It was the media, it was the campaign handlers, I was naive, but they smeared me, there might be sexism. Caroline Kennedy blah blah blah...despite what has happened in the last 12 hours with Kennedy, she is not in a real campaign, and it is only to be the junior Senator from New York. A more fair comparison would be Palin and Clinton. Palin would break down and cry if she got half the treatment Hillary has.
Also, there are plenty of cases where she is being misleading at best, and possibly flat out lying when it comes to her treatment from the local media. There was a time she was the darling of the Alaska media. Ask Frank Murkowski...but when she refuses them interviews that would normally be granted any other time, for MONTHS, I can only imagine that a negative backlash is going to happen. Because instead of setting the record straight herself, or at least being proactive the local media is going to cover what they can.
So to sum it up, doing these interviews only hurts her more at home. Where it really matters. She needs to take her licks like all the other politicians, be straight forward, including about her family, and quit blaming everyone else for the bad stuff that happens.
She blew the Kouric interview, she blew the Charlie Gibson interview, on softball questions. Nobody else. This wasnt "gotcha" questions. Its a shame the fall from grace this Governor has had in the last year, and it is nobody's fault but her own, even if she cant figure that out herself.
jrobert484
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I literally know at least three women who were going to vote McCain until Palin came onto the scene. Once she started her racial slurs and her "real Americans" ephithets, and showed her lack of knowledge about government policies, American history and world affairs... those womenm RAN, not walked, to the nearest poll so they could vote Obama.
pocketfullofshells
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one I know who was voting Republican, asked me how to change her party designation for next time and voted Obama...after 10 min of the VP debate
Changed thier votes??? I know people who started a short lived recall petition...they wanted her to swim to Russia, because of the embarrassment she brought down on Alaska. I dont take it that far, but again, these are people who supported her a year ago, and she passed AGIA, troopergate, and publically opposed a local ballot measure#4. Then throw on the garbage about palling around with terrorists, and socialist this and that, then top it off with the various interviews and she lost a lot of support and respect.
Dawkinsrocks
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She only maintained the support of the stupid which, to be fair, was probably almost enough to get her elected
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Dawkinsrocks
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Or her Bush-style brain.
I wonder if they share one. It is difficult to know which one has it at any one time
I wonder if they share one. It is difficult to know which one has it at any one time
XCALIDEM
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sURE, Just like your president said: Those people cling to their guns and religion, right....
Popeye
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sURE, Just like your president said: Those people cling to their guns and religion, right....
He was right. Palin supporters have difficulty getting their shallow minds around much else....except to have babies out of wedlock and sell oxycontin
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Personally I think Palin would be a wonderful choice to run for President anytime she wants.................
of course the one caveat to that is she's already made a laughingstock out of herself as a Saturday Night Live caracature... and I want whoever is up against her to actually win easily.
