Say Goodbye To Mrs. Sheehan

[Dave]

This will do for starters. I know, I hear you protesting it's from a "leftie" site. Suck it up. http://www.populistamerica.com/revealed_why_your_sons_and_daughters_died_in_iraq

Think about it. Doesn't it make sense that we would go into Iraq for a profit of 25 TRILLION dollars? It wasn't about 9-11 -- Iraq didn't have connection to 9-11. It certainly wasn't about doing a benevolent deed of getting rid of a horrible dictator, and you're a fool if you believe that. It wasn't about WMD. It was ALWAYS about the oil. But go drink some more Kool Aid, and maybe you can still convince yourself that it's about all these other naive reasons you seem to believe in.

I don't have the time nor inclination to "prove that it's about oil," but it seems to me the figures speak for themselves.

Actually, there was a link between al-Qaida and Iraq. There were even links between several 9-11 hijackers and Iraqi intelligence services. And before you begin protesting that its a Fox News article, you too can "suck it up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97063,00.html

 

[USMC the Almighty]

This will do for starters. I know, I hear you protesting it's from a "leftie" site. Suck it up. http://www.populistamerica.com/revealed_why_your_sons_and_daughters_died_in_iraq

Think about it. Doesn't it make sense that we would go into Iraq for a profit of 25 TRILLION dollars? It wasn't about 9-11 -- Iraq didn't have connection to 9-11. It certainly wasn't about doing a benevolent deed of getting rid of a horrible dictator, and you're a fool if you believe that. It wasn't about WMD. It was ALWAYS about the oil. But go drink some more Kool Aid, and maybe you can still convince yourself that it's about all these other naive reasons you seem to believe in.

I don't have the time nor inclination to "prove that it's about oil," but it seems to me the figures speak for themselves.

You didn't prove anything. To say that the war is for "oil" is essentially a cop out from having to make any coherent argument.

 

[Castle]

If it's simply about oil, why would we waste our time with anything else? Secure the oil fields and f*** everything and everybody else. For God's sake! Fill up those tankers and flank speed that stuff to us. As logic and fact simply stomps this theory into the dirt, how does this not sink in to even the thick headed leftist?

Well, here is a letter that I'm sure further supports the "ALL FOR OIL" theory!

"In the Name of God the Compassionate and Merciful

To the Courageous Men and Women of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who have changed the city of Tall’ Afar from a ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, to a secure city flourishing with life.

To the lion-hearts who liberated our city from the grasp of terrorists who were beheading men, women and children in the streets for many months.

To those who spread smiles on the faces of our children, and gave us restored hope, through their personal sacrifice and brave fighting, and gave new life to the city after hopelessness darkened our days, and stole our confidence in our ability to reestablish our city.

Our city was the main base of operations for Abu Mousab Al Zarqawi. The city was completely held hostage in the hands of his henchmen. Our schools, governmental services, businesses and offices were closed. Our streets were silent, and no one dared to walk them. Our people were barricaded in their homes out of fear; death awaited them around every corner. Terrorists occupied and controlled the only hospital in the city. Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young. This was the situation of our city until God prepared and delivered unto them the courageous soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who liberated this city, ridding it of Zarqawi’s followers after harsh fighting, killing many terrorists, and forcing the remaining butchers to flee the city like rats to the surrounding areas, where the bravery of other 3d ACR soldiers in Sinjar, Rabiah, Zumar and Avgani finally destroyed them.

I have met many soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment; they are not only courageous men and women, but avenging angels sent by The God Himself to fight the evil of terrorism.

The leaders of this Regiment; COL McMaster, COL Armstrong, LTC Hickey, LTC Gibson, and LTC Reilly embody courage, strength, vision and wisdom. Officers and soldiers alike bristle with the confidence and character of knights in a bygone era. The mission they have accomplished, by means of a unique military operation, stands among the finest military feats to date in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and truly deserves to be studied in military science. This military operation was clean, with little collateral damage, despite the ferocity of the enemy. With the skill and precision of surgeons they dealt with the terrorist cancers in the city without causing unnecessary damage.

God bless this brave Regiment; God bless the families who dedicated these brave men and women. From the bottom of our hearts we thank the families. They have given us something we will never forget. To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence and to the souls of your loved ones. Their sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls hovering around us every second of every minute. They will never be forgotten for giving their precious lives. They have sacrificed that which is most valuable. We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land. Let America, their families, and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life.

Finally, no matter how much I write or speak about this brave Regiment, I haven’t the words to describe the courage of its officers and soldiers. I pray to God to grant happiness and health to these legendary heroes and their brave families."

NAJIM ABDULLAH ABID AL-JIBOURI
Mayor of Tall ‘Afar, Ninewa, Iraq

Seems like a lot to wasted effort for oil doesn't it???!!!

-Castle

 

[drippinhun]

Go out to google to ascertain the authenticity of that letter. It's highly suspicious and only bought hook, line and sinker by known GOP web sites. And who says Pentagon psych-ops, whose primary function is to put a positive spin on our invasion/occupation isn't trying to earn its keep? I remember when Santa Claus wrote the children in my town a letter promising them all goodies if they had been behaving. It was postmarked North Pole. Kiss my wigwam, if you don't believe it wasn't from him!

 

[drippinhun]

Proponents of escalation cite the example of Tal Afar, a town in northwestern Iraq. U.S. forces there have met some genuine success since September 2005 with the "clear, build and hold" strategy that Mr. Bush apparently now favors for Baghdad.

But Tal Afar is only about one-thirtieth the size of Baghdad, and it isn't even Arab: Its people are mostly members of the Turkmen minority. Trying to replicate that (limited) success in Baghdad is a fool's errand.

In Tal Afar, there was one U.S. soldier for every 40 residents. Using the same ratio in Baghdad would require 150,000 troops, sustained for more than a year. That's impossible
-- Nicholas Kristof, The New York Times

 

[drippinhun]

I was in Tal Afar's "genuine success" story over the summer. It was such a success story that the city's neurotic, hand-wringing mayor, Najim Abdullah al-Jubori, actually asked American officials during a meeting I attended if they could tell President Bush to stop calling it a success story. "It just makes the terrorists angry," he said. At the meeting he pointed to a map and indicated the areas where the insurgents held strong positions.

"Here," he said. "Oh, and here. And here. Here also...."

After that meeting, the unit I was with -- MPs from Oklahoma on a personal security detail, guarding a colonel who was inspecting police stations in the area -- went to a precinct house in one of Tal Afar's "safe" neighborhoods. There I found five American soldiers huddling in a room about the size of a walk-in closet, hunched over a pile of MRE wrappers and PlayStation cassettes.

They seldom ever left that room, they explained. Occasionally they would have to go out and fight whenever someone started shooting at the police station (a regular occurrence, they said); sometimes they'd even round up the aggressors, only to have some Iraqi army creeps come by later and insist on the attackers' release, telling the soldiers they had the "wrong guys." The Iraqi army units and the Iraqi police in the town were constantly at odds and the soldiers there spent a lot of their time breaking up violent outbreaks between the two groups. In short, Tal Afar was a total ****ing mess, a violent chaos, and yet Tal Afar is still upheld as the Iraqi success story -- and an example of the "impossible" standard of a one-soldier-per-forty-residents security paradise that even a liberal columnist like Nicholas Kristof dismisses as a hopelessly optimistic fantasy, saying such a wonder couldn't be replicated in Baghdad.
-- Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone

 

[jb_1430]

This will do for starters. I know, I hear you protesting it's from a "leftie" site. Suck it up. http://www.populistamerica.com/revealed_why_your_sons_and_daughters_died_in_iraq

Think about it. Doesn't it make sense that we would go into Iraq for a profit of 25 TRILLION dollars?

What nonsense. From the article-

Seems that those International Oil Companies (can you say EXXON, MOBILE, and BP for starters), stand to pluck the Iraqi people for about $21 Trillion....
Kucinich reports that the deal requires that the Oil Companies get control of over 80% of the Iraqi Oil fields.

????? What BS. The Iraqi Hydrocarbon law requires no such thing. The law sets up a monopoly for the Iraqi National oil company over 20% of Iraq's total reserves that are being accessed from currently operating oil fields. The other 80% of the oil not yet accessed, will be explored and operated in a free competitive market. The state still owns the oil, but the Iraqi National oil Company will compete in the free market to win contracts to operate the oil fields. Just like every other country in the world that isnt socialist extracts their oil. Saddam already had signed such agreements with NON US companies. US companies will have to compete with the rest of the world. The Kurds have already made such agreements and none of the oil companies are American. Norway won those contracts.
Read the oil law and dont believe any nonsense Kuccinich tries to put into your head. And this is a draft that hasnt yet been accepted. It could go a different way. Bush has made no requirements that Iraq adopts this law, just that they adopt some law that distributes the revenues equitably to all Iraqis. MARK
http://www.box.net/public/ehdzt13d71

 

[jb_1430]

It wasn't about 9-11 -- Iraq didn't have connection to 9-11.

Saddam in 1990

If you use pressure, we will deploy pressure and force. We know that you can harm us although we do not threaten you. But we too can harm you. Everyone can cause harm according to their ability and their size. We cannot come all the way to you in the United States, but individual Arabs may reach you.
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html

in 1993

The moment of confrontation had come. President Bush warned Saddam Hussein that if he continued to interfere with United Nations weapons inspectors and to shoot at American warplanes over Iraq, he would have to pay the consequences. So Islamic radicals from all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia converged on Baghdad to show their solidarity with Iraq in the face of American aggression. Chechens in Persian-lamb hats, Moroccans in caftans, delegates who hailed “from Jakarta to Dakar,” as one Senegalese put it, poured into Baghdad’s Rashid Hotel, where Saddam’s minions urged them to embrace jihad as “the one gate to Paradise.” And the greatest holy warrior of all? “The mujahed Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers,” they were told. “Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state,” declared Saddam’s deputy Ezzat Ibrahim. The Americans had colonized Lebanon; they had colonized Saudi Arabia. But the line against them would be drawn in Iraq. Believers would triumph, said Ibrahim: “Our stand now can lead us to final victory, to Paradise.”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmnew/is_200209/ai_kepm310445

Clinton in 1998

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. We want to seriously reduce his capacity to threaten his neighbors.

I am quite confident, from the briefing I have just received from our military leaders, that we can achieve the objective and secure our vital strategic interests.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

And 4 days later, like a puppet on a string, Bin Laden says-

No one argues today about three facts ...

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam...The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people...

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres,...

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state...The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq,...
On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it,
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Sounds like 9/11 was ALL ABOUT IRAQ! MARK

 

[vyo476]

Think about it. Doesn't it make sense that we would go into Iraq for a profit of 25 TRILLION dollars? It wasn't about 9-11 -- Iraq didn't have connection to 9-11.

There was a link to 9/11 - a gentleman by the name of al-Zarqawi who was operating in northern Iraq. He was a close friend of Osama bin Laden and was head of al Qaeda's forces in Iraq. He'd been running around slaughtering Kurds for years and our government made the (then logical) assumption that he was doing it without much, if any interference from Saddam Hussein - which would show that Hussein was at least tolerant of having terrorists in his country.

So we invade, we do the whole song and dance, and...it turns out that there were three arrest warrants for al-Zarqawi supporters. Just three. Other than that Saddam was turning a blind eye to what was going on in northern Iraq. Now, the question is - are you naive enough to think that all they were doing up there was killing Kurds?

It certainly wasn't about doing a benevolent deed of getting rid of a horrible dictator, and you're a fool if you believe that.

True enough. The first wide-scale mentions of the humanitarian nature of the mission didn't start showing up until after the invasion. While it was probably on the plate before hand, the Bush Administration didn't think that most Americans would swallow it.

It wasn't about WMD.

We can disagree about this all day long. Did the intelligence community mislead Congress on purpose? A non-partisan senatorial committee seems to think there was no foul play in that area.

It was ALWAYS about the oil. But go drink some more Kool Aid, and maybe you can still convince yourself that it's about all these other naive reasons you seem to believe in.

It's sad to see people so driven by partisan objectives that they are incapable of examining things from a rational standpoint.

 

[drippinhun]

It's sad to see people so driven by partisan objectives that they are incapable of examining things from a rational standpoint.

The American people have examined things based on a lack of evidence and have come to the conclusion that Bush's folly was wrong. I guess the government can only feed the people lies for just so long before the truth comes out. But I wouldn't expect those afflicted with chronic partisan loyalty to see otherwise.

 

[marilynj55]

Actually, there was a link between al-Qaida and Iraq. There were even links between several 9-11 hijackers and Iraqi intelligence services. And before you begin protesting that its a Fox News article, you too can "suck it up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97063,00.html

Sorry, there is no way in the world that I would read anything from a Fox "News" Service report and give it any weight whatsoever as it has zero credibility. Nada, zilch, none. Anybody that would is delusional. Fox "News" is an arm of the GOP. Right-wing GOP at that.

 

[jb_1430]

Sorry, there is no way in the world that I would read anything from a Fox "News" Service report and give it any weight whatsoever as it has zero credibility. Nada, zilch, none. Anybody that would is delusional. Fox "News" is an arm of the GOP. Right-wing GOP at that.

Revealing that you accept the easily discredited BS by Cliff Carson, some nobody, wannabe journalist who post to the populist party web site, and write off anything from Fox news. MARK

 

[9sublime]

Cliff Carson is not under pressure from millions of right wing viewers, politicians and organizations to spout out right wing garbage.

However, I still don't endorse him.

 

[jb_1430]

Cliff Carson is not under pressure from millions of right wing viewers, politicians and organizations to spout out right wing garbage.

However, I still don't endorse him.

Cliff Carson IS under pressure from millions of left wing viewers, politicians and organizations to spout out the whiney, left wing, moonbat garbage.

MARK

 

[USMC the Almighty]

Sorry, there is no way in the world that I would read anything from a Fox "News" Service report and give it any weight whatsoever as it has zero credibility. Nada, zilch, none. Anybody that would is delusional. Fox "News" is an arm of the GOP. Right-wing GOP at that.

By the same token, I would discredit any report by NYTimes, CBS, CNN, or ABC...

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.pdf