Shooting at Holocaust Museum

[Pandora]

Can someone name a right winger who has stood up to praise this crazy old man?

Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? How about Newt Gingrich? Are they right wingers? Any other right wingers who have spoken up to excuse what this guy did?



Count me as someone who has trouble telling left from right, then explain in simple terms what makes that kook a right winger. While you're at it, name the fellow right wingers who are supporting him.



OK, here's one for the other team, if teams are what we have: Which lefties are speaking out in favor of gangs?

How about Randi Rhodes? Teddy Kennedy? Is there anyone who is identified as a "left winger" who supports gang activity?

Anyone on this forum want to identify themselves as a "winger", either right or left, and either support the killing of a museum guard, or perhaps support murdering gangbangers?

Or is this whole left wing does this, right wing does that argument full of crap?

Hannity and Rush and Levin and all of them condemn this guy and call him sick and crazy. Most all right wing people are very very pro Israel, they and I do not condone someone who is a Jew hater they don’t condone people who just randomly shoot others either.


White separatists have their own group. They admire the Nazi party who were socialist but don’t really fit in with the left wing crowd and probably agree with immigration like the right wing party but cant stand the right wing. They are in a group of their own. Muslim terrorists would be in a group of their own too. They hate republicans and seem to adore obama but look at what they believe in..

They are religious
They are against abortion
They are against homosexual marriage
They are for family values and morals
They feel women should stay home and be mothers first
They are against drugs and excessive drinking
They are pro family and anti birth control

If you did not know any better they look more right than left and they are obviously not right wing and really they are not left wing except their feelings about America and their hate for military and republicans.

Like the Jew hating shooter, Muslim extremists need a group of their own because they don’t fit in the right or left

 

[PLC1]

Hannity and Rush and Levin and all of them condemn this guy and call him sick and crazy. Most all right wing people are very very pro Israel, they and I do not condone someone who is a Jew hater they don’t condone people who just randomly shoot others either.


White separatists have their own group. They admire the Nazi party who were socialist but don’t really fit in with the left wing crowd and probably agree with immigration like the right wing party but cant stand the right wing. They are in a group of their own. Muslim terrorists would be in a group of their own too. They hate republicans and seem to adore obama but look at what they believe in..

They are religious
They are against abortion
They are against homosexual marriage
They are for family values and morals
They feel women should stay home and be mothers first
They are against drugs and excessive drinking
They are pro family and anti birth control

If you did not know any better they look more right than left and they are obviously not right wing and really they are not left wing except their feelings about America and their hate for military and republicans.

Like the Jew hating shooter, Muslim extremists need a group of their own because they don’t fit in the right or left

Exactly. The world is not divided between "left" and "right" and somewhere in between. There are multiple groups with different ideas.

Pointing out some nutcase of any kind and saying ,"See, that guy is one of you!" is just silly and disingenuous.

 

[Pandora]

Exactly. The world is not divided between "left" and "right" and somewhere in between. There are multiple groups with different ideas.

Pointing out some nutcase of any kind and saying ,"See, that guy is one of you!" is just silly and disingenuous.

Agreed!

Happy Happy JOY JOY!!

Its always nice to agree with you.. as seldom as it is

 

[Bunz]

OK Folks lets take a deep breath here. Firstly, the situation is in itself tragic. My condolences to the man's family and friends. Also to the folks who work at the museum and the patrons. I personally have been there twice. It is moving beyond words. As a grown man I have no problem admitting I openly shed tears from my experience at the Holocaust Museum, which is why I returned. To see it all again after my emotions were somewhat set aside.

In regards to the shooter, and all of the various accusations being thrown around...I dont think it is fair or wise to make such comparisons to mainstream Americans, left or right wing. This man is a certifiable kook, and I am grateful for the response from the other guards in preventing further tragedy.

The petty blame game going on in this thread is exactly what this a$$hole wanted throughout the country. But probably moreso in a violent manner. Trying to pin blame on the "right" is absurd, and falls right into his agenda.

So folks, lets take the high road. Blame the guy who did it, and any who helped. Leave the 250+million Americans who are just as appalled as everyone else out of it.

 

[Popeye]

He is on my team because you say so? OK

Does that mean you are on a team with Rush? he is against everything you are for, so it seems about the same to me.

Yep, he was on your team...

Free Republic writings of von Brunn available here

 

[top gun]

And murdering gangbangers would fall on the left. Since there seem to be a lot more of them around the country than neo nazi murderers and muslims, I guess there is a lot more trash on the left side, eh? Is there some reason why bangers aren't considered domestic terrorists by lefties? Of course not. They are the bangers.

How do you come to this conclusion. Gangbangers hate government & laws... love every kind of firearm they can get their hands on... are usually divided up by race... are not into peace nor the environment and usually drive huge pimped out SUV's.

Seems they're much more like the KKK Righties than they are say Greenpeace to me.

 

[Pandora]

Yep, he was on your team...

Free Republic writings of von Brunn available here

OK then, all Muslim terrorists are right wing too. They actually share more values like faith and family with the right wing than the left.


The only thing they share with the left wing is distain for America and the hate of the US Military.

So, all extremists except environmental types are with us.

You are so funny sometimes!

 

[samsara15]

He is on my team because you say so? OK

Does that mean you are on a team with Rush? he is against everything you are for, so it seems about the same to me.

Somehow we have gotten out of phase. There are commonly accepted views of what is Left and what is Right, based on whom your allies are and on where your allegiance lies.

Both sides contain extremists. This particular kook falls on the Right side, because his political allegiance, and allies (some who don't claim his POV, and avoid his POV like leprosy) are on the Right.

 

[Popeye]

OK then, all Muslim terrorists are right wing too. They actually share more values like faith and family with the right wing than the left.


The only thing they share with the left wing is distain for America and the hate of the US Military.

So, all extremists except environmental types are with us.

You are so funny sometimes!

Lets dissect some of von Brunn's Free Republic piece, shall we?

Anti Obama:

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why???

Pro Bush:

Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made ... finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people.

Anti media, specifically in this case Dan Rather

Dan Rather lost his job over fraudulent documents, because common people like you & me reached out and ripped CBS to pieces. They couldn't stand the loss of sponsors OR viewers!

Pro Palin:

The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don't work for the mainstream media.

Anti Obama, anti media, pro Bush and pro Palin....those are positions held by the RW in this country, you hold them yourself. There's no question in that von Brunn was a right wing extremist..

I realize the majority of those on the right don't support the recent actions of von Brunn and Dr. Tiller's murderer but there's way too many that do...

If you remember, RW terrorism like this began to surface during Clinton's presidency as well..the militia movement, culminating in the OKC bombing. The right in this country doesn't take defeat well, they strike out like spoiled children...preaching hate from Savage to Beck...and now we are starting to see the products of it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts?page=1

 

[Pandora]

Somehow we have gotten out of phase. There are commonly accepted views of what is Left and what is Right, based on whom your allies are and on where your allegiance lies.

Both sides contain extremists. This particular kook falls on the Right side, because his political allegiance, and allies (some who don't claim his POV, and avoid his POV like leprosy) are on the Right.

The crazy Jew hater hated these things that conservatives love


he hated Jews
he hated Fox News
he hated Republicans
he hated both Bush's
he hated McCain
he hated NeoCon's
he hated The Weekly Standard (a Republican paper) Actually he planned to bomb The Weekly Standard (a Republican paper) next!
that is not very conservative or republican of him is it?
how is he politically with Republicans or Conservatives?

he believed in the 911 truthers, mostly liberal anti Republican anti Bush people who think President Bush and the Jews planned 911

there is some serious grasping at straws to try and put this guy in the Republican/ Conservative camp.

I think you have a better argument to put the abortionist shooter in the conservative camp than this guy.

 

[Pandora]

Lets dissect some of von Brunn's Free Republic piece, shall we?

Anti Obama:



Pro Bush:



Anti media, specifically in this case Dan Rather



Pro Palin:




Anti Obama, anti media, pro Bush and pro Palin....those are positions held by the RW in this country, you hold them yourself. There's no question in that von Brunn was a right wing extremist..

I realize the majority of those on the right don't support the recent actions of von Brunn and Dr. Tiller's murderer but there's way too many that do...

If you remember, RW terrorism like this began to surface during Clinton's presidency as well..the militia movement, culminating in the OKC bombing. The right in this country doesn't take defeat well, they strike out like spoiled children...preaching hate from Savage to Beck...and now we are starting to see the products of it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts?page=1

Those are not pro Republican or pro Bush or pro Palin statements. they are examples of how the media is NOT treating obama the same as the others.

I give ya the fact he hated obama, hell I hate obama so it’s pretty much a given that he, being a white separatist would hate him. He doesn’t even have to have a reason to hate him except for his color. The guy is crazy, he hated Jewish people just because they are Jewish, but then again so does obama's reverend. Does that make obama’s reverend a right winger too?

 

[top gun]

Those are not pro Republican or pro Bush or pro Palin statements. they are examples of how the media is NOT treating obama the same as the others.

I give ya the fact he hated obama, hell I hate obama so it’s pretty much a given that he, being a white separatist would hate him. He doesn’t even have to have a reason to hate him except for his color. The guy is crazy, he hated Jewish people just because they are Jewish, but then again so does obama's reverend. Does that make obama’s reverend a right winger too?

But you're just jumping all over the place here. Now you are saying this Holocaust Museum killer was a Radical Right murderer. I think we all agree with that.

Just as the Nazis and the KKK are Far Right Wing Radicals.

And it's well known President Obama has all through his political career been given super high marks & endorsements by the Jewish community... including in his election as our President.

That's all we're saying... look at the bed you are in...

 

[Pandora]

But you're just jumping all over the place here. Now you are saying this Holocaust Museum killer was a Radical Right murderer. I think we all agree with that.

Just as the Nazis and the KKK are Far Right Wing Radicals.

And it's well known President Obama has all through his political career been given super high marks & endorsements by the Jewish community... including in his election as our President.

That's all we're saying... look at the bed you are in...

Top Gun, Nazi's are socialits. What are we complaining about with obama? that he is a socialist

some liberal Jews like obama, but only God knows why.

I do not think this shooter was right wing or left wing. I think people like that are in a class of thier own. What I said was you have a better argument calling the abortionist shooter a right wing.

if you are going to insist that this Jew hater is right wing then you may as well stick every muslim terrorist in with republicans too because they share all the same family values that republicans do, they only line up with liberals on distain for the US and hate of the military

 

[Popeye]

Top Gun, Nazi's are socialits. What are we complaining about with obama? that he is a socialist

some liberal Jews like obama, but only God knows why.

I do not think this shooter was right wing or left wing. I think people like that are in a class of thier own. What I said was you have a better argument calling the abortionist shooter a right wing.

if you are going to insist that this Jew hater is right wing then you may as well stick every muslim terrorist in with republicans too because they share all the same family values that republicans do, they only line up with liberals on distain for the US and hate of the military

"Some" liberal Jews like Obama?...Last November he received 78% of the Jewish vote compared to McCain's 21%.

The anti semites, the racists, the intolerant have always traditionally come from the right and gravitated towards the Republican party...Gee, I wonder why that is?

http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/njdccommendsobamaelection110408

 

[GenSeneca]

The anti semites, the racists, the intolerant have always traditionally come from the right and gravitated towards the Republican party...Gee, I wonder why that is?

You mean like the Democrats who formed the KKK as a terrorist organisation:

The Klan resisted Reconstruction by assaulting, murdering and intimidating freedmen and white Republicans.

The Democrats who passed the Jim Crow laws of "separate but equal" segregation and Clinton's don't ask don't tell military policies... Those Right Wingers?

Anti-Semites, like Louis Farrakhan?

Racists, like Rev. Wright?

Intolerant, like you Progressives?

How about Dr. Kamau Kambon who says whites should be "exterminated"?

You're an admited anti-zionist, you spout racist remarks about black republicans, you smear Palin with sexist comments, and have no tolerance for those who's opinions run counter to your own.... You are the quintessential Progressive.

Keep playing your political games if you like... you just look silly. Bunz was entirely correct, it was a tragedy and you're simply trying to use it to slam your political oppisition and advance your political agenda... Such selfish actions are just insulting to those affected by such tragedies.