Should Obama support investigating torture?

[AgainstTheMachine]

No, once they hit US soil they can apply for amnesty, and will generally get it as I understand it. However the problem came because under US law a 6 year old kid could not apply for amnesty over the objections of his father (who was in Cuba). I think a big part of the issue was since his father wanted him back and was the guardian, he could not apply for amnesty under US law.

However; if I am correct there was a law which allows a person to remain if they loose an immediate family member in the attempt to to reach freedom.

 

[laymen]

At this point I am in favor of investigating torture. Bush entered his administration with full knowledge that the country was divided almost evenly on political philosophy and that he would half to govern with a 51% majority. This did nothing to close the gap between Ideologies, in fact, given the crisis Bush had to deal with and the leadership decisions he made only hardened the two camp position of most individuals. Obama too claimed he would put an end to the partisan division. Yet nothing I've seen this far has provided me with any "hope" that he can prod the Dem. controlled congress in to seeking common ground with repubs. Thus I think the Obama administration should move ahead aggressively on the prosecution of top Bush administration officials that were responsible or even complicit in the decisions leading up to the incidents of torture. Perhaps when the Dem's. can finally vanquish their enemy,(the Republican party) all the countries of the world can unite and declare victory in the Struggle against opposing opinions. Then the one world government can finally be realized and all people around the world can live in peace and harmony with food, housing and health care for all. God bless the Obamanation!

 

[BigRob]

However; if I am correct there was a law which allows a person to remain if they loose an immediate family member in the attempt to to reach freedom.

The only thing I have ever heard of (and you could be correct) is that they are allowed to apply for amnesty if they arrive on US soil. His amnesty appeal was denied, therefore making it illegal for him to be here.

To be granted asylum you have to show that you personally will be persecuted, and not simply that there are many human rights violations in the country, or that they treat their people poorly. Since under US law he cannot speak for himself, the word of his father (saying no asylum) would have trumped anything else in my view.

 

[BigRob]

Perhaps when the Dem's. can finally vanquish their enemy,(the Republican party) all the countries of the world can unite and declare victory in the Struggle against opposing opinions. Then the one world government can finally be realized and all people around the world can live in peace and harmony with food, housing and health care for all. God bless the Obamanation!

........ So... prosecuting someone will result in world government, food for all, and housing an health care for all theses days?

 

[laymen]

I am stating," somewhat cynically" that I believe we may as well cut off our nose to spite our face. Since we have allowed our selfs to degenerate into a nation devided so. Clearly the warning from Pres. Washington has been forgotten, about the avoidance of to intimately entangling ours selfs with the interests of other nations.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

At this point I am in favor of investigating torture. Bush entered his administration with full knowledge that the country was divided almost evenly on political philosophy and that he would half to govern with a 51% majority.

I think that it behooves us to find the truth behind the decisions {sceptic that I am but lie to me about WMD's and I'll not trust anything else that they tell me}

This did nothing to close the gap between Ideologies, in fact, given the crisis Bush had to deal with and the leadership decisions he made only hardened the two camp position of most individuals. Obama too claimed he would put an end to the partisan division. Yet nothing I've seen this far has provided me with any "hope" that he can prod the Dem. controlled congress in to seeking common ground with repubs.

While I'm ecstatic that we have President Obama seated as our President...I'm leery of the Nancy Pelosi and company that are spewing the "I didn't say that and I didn't read that and I wasn't told that"...group for possibly lying to us about the what/when/where/how much they were informed! CYNICAL human being that I've become since NIXON!

Thus I think the Obama administration should move ahead aggressively on the prosecution of top Bush administration officials that were responsible or even complicit in the decisions leading up to the incidents of torture. Perhaps when the Dem's. can finally vanquish their enemy,(the Republican party) all the countries of the world can unite and declare victory in the Struggle against opposing opinions. Then the one world government can finally be realized and all people around the world can live in peace and harmony with food, housing and health care for all. God bless the Obamanation!

And possibly this would have been one of the top priorities but this probably got bumped off of the top 10 to do list when the economy went 'BELLY UP' during G.W.B.'s last year. You can only keep just so many hot topic items spinning in the air at any one time and get the full attention that it needs to have shown on it...I think that this will happen just not in the this year!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That was NOT even the worst of it ...

In my opinion what was worse was the Janet Reno militant force to take a baby out of a nationalized American's arms and kiss Castro buns by giving up the fatted (Commie politcal tool) calf ...

Yeah.....to his Father. Whatta tragedy.

I guess Family Values is a conditional-thing, with you Bush-lemmings.

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[samsara15]

.......well I'm glad you feel you're getting something out of this but, just for my own edification, whilst the horses disappear over the horizon and you're putting the padlocks back on the barn doors please explain why you feel that witchhunts in such circumstances achieve anything other than perhaps salve a few consciences?

Look the best thing to do is what has already been done......change the working practises as required and use the money that would have been wasted chasing bolted horses on conducting a review on the intelligence services and the administrations intelligence requirements and the manner in which that information is gathered and processed.........

I think it was criminal, but like you, feel that a witchhunt at this point in time accomplishes little of value, and that it is time to analyze our failures, institute new policies, and then to move on.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.......well I'm glad you feel you're getting something out of this but, just for my own edification, whilst the horses disappear over the horizon and you're putting the padlocks back on the barn doors please explain why you feel that witchhunts in such circumstances achieve anything other than perhaps salve a few consciences?

....Because, we've got an Obligation to prove....to the rest-o'-the-World....to the Founding Fathers....and, all who DIED for American Ideals....that, ACCOUNTABILITY and THE RULE OF LAW are more than (simply) "conservative" sales-pitches/buzz-phrases!!!!

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"Fallout from the Bush administration's detainee interrogation practices persisted yesterday, with House Democrats requesting documents that reportedly challenged the decision to use methods critics have likened to torture.

The memo's author, former State Department counselor Philip D. Zelikowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzLChQ1p7k, wrote on a Foreign Affairs blog last month that he dissented from conclusions by the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel four years ago that the methods were legal. Additionally, he wrote that unnamed White House officials at the time "attempted to collect and destroy all copies of my memo."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think it was criminal, but like you, feel that a witchhunt at this point in time accomplishes little of value, and that it is time to analyze our failures, institute new policies, and then to move on.

Yeah....let's just sweep-it-under-the-rug...and, hope nobody notices.

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Hell.....why stop THERE??!!!!!!​

"The hearing focused on contracts for logistics in war zones, which involves housing and feeding troops, washing their clothes, providing their recreation. Costs soared to $5.7 billion in 2008 from $55 million in 2001."​

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Yeah.....to his Father. Whatta tragedy.​

I guess Family Values is a conditional-thing, with you Bush-lemmings.​

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ahh - so where is the PRO CHOICE crowd now??

That child's freedom was the MOTHERS CHOICE! Screw her - she died for her desire to allow her baby to live here ...

The way you liberal lefty's are all she was doing was heading into another Castro type political system.

FYI - calling ME a Bush-lemming just shows the world how STUPID you are.

I have raised so much holy cane against the little bush and McCain that I got banned From GOP USA forum for my anti repub attitude.

So try to get SOMETHING correct! ... just a little something

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That child's freedom was the MOTHERS CHOICE! Screw her - she died for her desire to allow her baby to live here...

Even in the U.S., that's illegal.​

"According to the Washington Post, Elián's father Juan Miguel González Quintana had telephoned Lázaro from Cuba on November 22, 1999, to advise that Elián and his mother had left Cuba without Juan Miguel's knowledgehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elian_...urney_and_the_beginning_of_the_custody_battle, and to watch for their arrival.

On April 9, 2000, Richard Cohen of The Washington Post wrote: "Elián and Juan Miguel González, son and father. The former is an innocent child, the latter a man whose boy was taken from him. Elián has behaved like a typical 6-year-old, Juan Miguel like a typical father. And most of the politicians like typical fools."​

Try a little Reality.

It's relatively-painless.

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[PLC1]

Yeah....let's just sweep-it-under-the-rug...and, hope nobody notices.

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Hell.....why stop THERE??!!!!!!​

Gosh, we had a war, and the cost of housing troops in a war zone went up. Must be some kind of a conspiracy, just has to be.

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

Even in the U.S., that's illegal.​

REALLY?? when will ANY federal politician act on that with the MILLIONS of illegals here that get released back to the streets EVERY DAY?​

What was the difference​

other than the left desperately being part of the COMMIE SYMPATHIZER SYNDROME?

your argument hold as much reasonable value as a three dollar bill.

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What about the entitlement of illegals who become victims of a criminal activity who get to LEGALLY stay in the USA??

Elián and his mother had left Cuba without Juan Miguel's knowledge

Try a little Reality. It's relatively-painless.

a LITTLE Reality?? in the same range of effect as an abortion - father has no rights on American soil unless the politician is a socialist sympathizer.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Gosh, we had a war, and the cost of housing troops in a war zone went up.

Yeah......close to 100X!!

You find that acceptable, huh?

I'll bet you complain about government-spending, as well, right?

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