Supreme Court upholds virtually all of Obamacare - Full text of Opinion and Dissent here

[Little-Acorn]

The Supreme Court merely changed the name of the "mandate" to call it a "tax".

Full text of the Opinion and Dissent can be found here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393

The upshot is, in a few years, most people will find it most economical to drop their insurance intirely, and only pay the mandated "tax", until they get sick.

Once they get sick or injured, then they can sign up for "insurance", and the company is forced to take them despite their "pre-existing" sickness or injury. They can stay signed up, paying the higher "insurance" rate, until they are cured, then drop the insurance and go back to paying only the lower "tax".

Lather, rinse, repeat.

At least until Congress raises the "tax"... which they will one minute after midnight pretty soon.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

The Supreme Court merely changed the name of the "mandate" to call it a "tax".

Full text of the Opinion and Dissent can be found here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393

The upshot is, in a few years, most people will find it most economical to drop their insurance intirely, and only pay the mandated "tax", until they get sick.

Once they get sick or injured, then they can sign up for "insurance", and the company is forced to take them despite their "pre-existing" sickness or injury. They can stay signed up, paying the higher "insurance" rate, until they are cured, then drop the insurance and go back to paying only the lower "tax".

Lather, rinse, repeat.

At least until Congress raises the "tax"... which they will one minute after midnight pretty soon.

Actually there is no Enforcement mechanism to the Mandate...They can add the tax for not having insurance...but under the law they also will not go after you for not paying it.Most people don't know that.

But of course right now...you just pay nothing...and if you get really sick, get it covered by everyone else anyway...or you get sick and die.

SO Acorn...My Fiancée has a Major health issue...( actually a few but one that is the main) How in your world should she be able to get Insurance thats affordable if Pre Existing conditions are not covered?

 

[PLC1]

Actually there is no Enforcement mechanism to the Mandate...They can add the tax for not having insurance...but under the law they also will not go after you for not paying it.Most people don't know that.

But of course right now...you just pay nothing...and if you get really sick, get it covered by everyone else anyway...or you get sick and die.

SO Acorn...My Fiancée has a Major health issue...( actually a few but one that is the main) How in your world should she be able to get Insurance thats affordable if Pre Existing conditions are not covered?

They are now, or at least soon will be under the provisions of "Obamacare." Soon, virtually every American will have health care coverage. The question that remains now is, how will we pay for it?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

They are now, or at least soon will be under the provisions of "Obamacare." Soon, virtually every American will have health care coverage. The question that remains now is, how will we pay for it?

She has a job and has Coverage...my question was Under the Republican idea of not having to cover Pre Existing...what is there plan for people who are sick?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

They are now, or at least soon will be under the provisions of "Obamacare." Soon, virtually every American will have health care coverage. The question that remains now is, how will we pay for it?

Republicans still can't explain how to pay for the system in place before it...But then they never seem to show much care for getting people covered..

 

[PLC1]

Republicans still can't explain how to pay for the system in place before it...But then they never seem to show much care for getting people covered..

The Republicans actually have the same plan that the Democrats do: say anything to get elected, do anything to get power, then do or say anything to stay in power.

Health care? Now, let's see... what rhetoric can I spew today that will give me political points and keep the campaign contributions rolling in? That's the real plan for both of the parties.

 

[Hobo1]

This law was pasted together at the eleventh hour amid massive discontent even among democrats. It is undoubtedly filled with favors, exceptions, and pork for every special interest lobby. I notice none of this applies to illegal aliens who are working and their employer are often paying taxes under some brother-in-laws social security number. To get this law passed must have required far more horse-trading than anyone can know right now. I think the bill is 900 pages long!

Nothing about this bill followed any other type of government program - not Canada, not Britain, not single payer system. It is an experiment with a hope and a prayer. No one can understand the future consequences of this program. Like all government experiments, I will bet a lot of clever people figure out how to get medical care very cheap - and Joe Six-Pak will wind up paying more for everything.

Unfortunately, the law does nothing to limit lawsuits by ambulance chancing lawyers. Doctors will continue to "over-practice" medical care, and health costs will continue to rise compared to most other countries.

 

[Gipper]

This law was pasted together at the eleventh hour amid massive discontent even among democrats. It is undoubtedly filled with favors, exceptions, and pork for every special interest lobby. I notice none of this applies to illegal aliens who are working and their employer are often paying taxes under some brother-in-laws social security number. To get this law passed must have required far more horse-trading than anyone can know right now. I think the bill is 900 pages long!

Nothing about this bill followed any other type of government program - not Canada, not Britain, not single payer system. It is an experiment with a hope and a prayer. No one can understand the future consequences of this program. Like all government experiments, I will bet a lot of clever people figure out how to get medical care very cheap - and Joe Six-Pak will wind up paying more for everything.

Unfortunately, the law does nothing to limit lawsuits by ambulance chancing lawyers. Doctors will continue to "over-practice" medical care, and health costs will continue to rise compared to most other countries.

The law is not 900 pages it is 2,700 pages of legalese, regulations, and bullshit. The entire goal of Obamacare is to destroy the private insurance industry and ultimately force all Americans into a single government plan with no options and lots of rationing as is done in most other western SOCIALIST nations. In addition, it is very costly...raising the deficit and national debt at a time when we are already on the verge of bankruptcy.

Good job BO.

Now if the Rs have any nerve, they will beat BO and Ds over the head with this socialistic law between now and the election. But, I fear the Rs are too wimpy and will never truly repeal Obamacare.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

The law is not 900 pages it is 2,700 pages of legalese, regulations, and bullshit. The entire goal of Obamacare is to destroy the private insurance industry and ultimately force all Americans into a single government plan with no options and lots of rationing as is done in most other western SOCIALIST nations. In addition, it is very costly...raising the deficit and national debt at a time when we are already on the verge of bankruptcy.

Good job BO.

Now if the Rs have any nerve, they will beat BO and Ds over the head with this socialistic law between now and the election. But, I fear the Rs are too wimpy and will never truly repeal Obamacare.

The Tea Party is moving in the background--all over the nation.
Remember 2010.

 

[GenSeneca]

SO Acorn...My Fiancée has a Major health issue...( actually a few but one that is the main) How in your world should she be able to get Insurance thats affordable if Pre Existing conditions are not covered?

There are two separate issues there that you Leftists like to conflate...

Do you think she should be given the best possible care without regard to what she can actually afford?

OR,

Do you think she should be given the level of HC she can actually afford, even if it's well below the best possible?

You Leftists like to piss and moan about how HC should be more affordable but you'll only settle for the absolute best possible care... It's like demanding you be allowed to drive a brand new Rolls Royce off the lot when all you can actually afford is a used '82 Ford Pinto. When the salesman points out there is a massive discrepancy between what you want and what you can actually afford, you tell him to bill the US Taxpayers for the difference... Your entitlement mentality is appalling.

 

[dogtowner]

Actually there is no Enforcement mechanism to the Mandate...They can add the tax for not having insurance...but under the law they also will not go after you for not paying it.Most people don't know that.

But of course right now...you just pay nothing...and if you get really sick, get it covered by everyone else anyway...or you get sick and die.

SO Acorn...My Fiancée has a Major health issue...( actually a few but one that is the main) How in your world should she be able to get Insurance thats affordable if Pre Existing conditions are not covered?

then what is the new army of IRS agents for ?

 

[dogtowner]

The Supreme Court merely changed the name of the "mandate" to call it a "tax".

Full text of the Opinion and Dissent can be found here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393

The upshot is, in a few years, most people will find it most economical to drop their insurance intirely, and only pay the mandated "tax", until they get sick.

Once they get sick or injured, then they can sign up for "insurance", and the company is forced to take them despite their "pre-existing" sickness or injury. They can stay signed up, paying the higher "insurance" rate, until they are cured, then drop the insurance and go back to paying only the lower "tax".

Lather, rinse, repeat.

At least until Congress raises the "tax"... which they will one minute after midnight pretty soon.

the large increases are already programmed to go in at I believe year three. that helped make it appear to not be a deficit bomb over 10 years time

 

[dogtowner]

Republicans still can't explain how to pay for the system in place before it...But then they never seem to show much care for getting people covered..

they're getting treated now which is rather more important than being covered.

 

[Gipper]

Your entitlement mentality is appalling.

That is really the crux of the problem.

Many Americans DEMAND that other Americans take care of them. Almost nothing is more heinous. These feeble minded Americans like our buddy pockets have infected our nation with a horrible dread disease that if left untreated, will destroy us all.

 

[cashmcall]

Now that the shock has worn off, let’s think about this.
President Obama is now the owner of the biggest tax hike in history, he wields the most powerful IRS in history, has effectively been called a liar by the Supreme Court, and the Commerce Clause finally hit a wall future congresses will find it difficult to scale.
How again is this a political win for the Democrats?