Teleprompter goof causes Obama to thank himself for White House party

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Yeah....we're kind-of addicted to facts....one o' the downsides of being a progressive-adult.

Be patient. One day, even you'll mature....but, you're gonna have to get outta Jr. High, first.

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I love the jr. high little comment....I think I've seen you post that on here before. Thats just it....your so called facts aren't facts at all. Do you ever completely read anything, or do you get close enough to possible being wrong and quit. If your a mature "progressive" adult, superior lib, intellectually exalted above all the rest of us....please share these facts your so addicted too.

Libs crack me up with this "addicted to facts...i'm a progressive....blah blah blah"

 

[PLC1]

I don't think Bush made as many mistakes as you think. The point that we are making has nothing to do with Obama being too stupid to know what a window is. The point is how it's played out differently in the mass media.

There was a video somewhere, which was interviews with voters waiting to go into the voting building. They asked quick easy questions.

I can't remember all the questions, but here's three of them. Who said they visited 57 states. Who has a pregnant unmarried daughter. Who said we should teach kindergartners about sex. Then there was something Biden said, and something McCain said.

Out of the five people interviewed, all five knew all the things about Palin and McCain. Not one knew who said the Obama or Biden things. Moreover, 3 of the 5 attributed what Obama and Biden said, to McCain and Palin. Now why do you think that is?

The same reason Bush getting caught by a fake door was played on every news network, every paper and magazine, every talk show and late night comedy program, while most people have never heard that Obama tried to open a window to get into the oval office.

Fact is, everyone makes gaffes and bloopers all the time. But when one persons mistakes are highlighted every 50 times a day, every day year round, and other persons mistakes are glossed over and ignored, you are going to get the impression they make a lot of mistakes.

Yes, I get it. You, and several others who post here, think that the mass media is overwhelmingly Democrat, and therefore ignore anything that is bad that Democrats do, while playing up all of the gaffes and mistakes of Republicans. I've read several posts about "why isn't the mainstream (or sometimes "lamestream") media on this? Quite a few times, I've found the same story on such conservative sites as the NYT, or even the SF Chronicle. Once, the story was on PBS, of all of all places.

I just don't buy your point that Obama is getting a pass from the media while Bush got hammered. Clinton most certainly got hammered, and so will Obama once the honeymoon is over.

Of course I still don't believe Iraq was a blunder.

On that point, you and I disagree 100%, but we've already discussed that at some length.

Here's another thing that I still don't get about you specifically.



What are you talking about? First, it was in the news, and often. Second, many people paid attention to it. The increasing federal budget was a big topic in the talk show circuits. A ton of people were pushing to cut spending. So why do you keep saying this obviously false statement?

Sure, it was in the news, the numbers were there, yet Bush was hailed as a conservative ( being a Republican and all, I suppose) while asking for and getting a budget of 2.9 trillion, not counting the war in Iraq. That number isn't far from Obama's huge, unsustainable, immense, and unconscionable liberal big spending budget. Both parties are statist, both are guilty of running up huge deficits. There are no conservatives in power, and haven't been for years. Maybe that ship has sailed, I don't know.

 

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Yes, I get it. You, and several others who post here, think that the mass media is overwhelmingly Democrat, and therefore ignore anything that is bad that Democrats do, while playing up all of the gaffes and mistakes of Republicans. I've read several posts about "why isn't the mainstream (or sometimes "lamestream") media on this? Quite a few times, I've found the same story on such conservative sites as the NYT, or even the SF Chronicle. Once, the story was on PBS, of all of all places.

I just don't buy your point that Obama is getting a pass from the media while Bush got hammered. Clinton most certainly got hammered, and so will Obama once the honeymoon is over.




On that point, you and I disagree 100%, but we've already discussed that at some length.



Sure, it was in the news, the numbers were there, yet Bush was hailed as a conservative ( being a Republican and all, I suppose) while asking for and getting a budget of 2.9 trillion, not counting the war in Iraq. That number isn't far from Obama's huge, unsustainable, immense, and unconscionable liberal big spending budget. Both parties are statist, both are guilty of running up huge deficits. There are no conservatives in power, and haven't been for years. Maybe that ship has sailed, I don't know.

The only people that hailed Bush as a conservative was the media, and liberals like yourself. Did I vote for Bush, yes. Do I consider him a conservative, NO. Do I think he over spent, Yes. Did he keep us safe, absolutely. Bush was not then nor is he now a conservative.

 

[Pandora]

The only people that hailed Bush as a conservative was the media, and liberals like yourself. Did I vote for Bush, yes. Do I consider him a conservative, NO. Do I think he over spent, Yes. Did he keep us safe, absolutely. Bush was not then nor is he now a conservative.

Very well said

but you could say it a million times and they will not hear it because they dont want to hear it

 

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Very well said

but you could say it a million times and they will not hear it because they dont want to hear it

It needs to be said a million times though, because using example of people like Bush and McCain as a conservative discredits conservatives. No matter what the media call them it needs to be disputed. However, if McCain-Palin were perhaps more conservative, perhaps they could have won.

 

[Andy]

Yes, I get it. You, and several others who post here, think that the mass media is overwhelmingly Democrat, and therefore ignore anything that is bad that Democrats do, while playing up all of the gaffes and mistakes of Republicans. I've read several posts about "why isn't the mainstream (or sometimes "lamestream") media on this? Quite a few times, I've found the same story on such conservative sites as the NYT, or even the SF Chronicle. Once, the story was on PBS, of all of all places.

I just don't buy your point that Obama is getting a pass from the media while Bush got hammered. Clinton most certainly got hammered, and so will Obama once the honeymoon is over.

Clinton most certainly did not get hammered. Show me an example of how he got hammered?


If you can explain that, go for it. To me, I've had the exact same results from people where I work.

Sure, it was in the news, the numbers were there, yet Bush was hailed as a conservative ( being a Republican and all, I suppose) while asking for and getting a budget of 2.9 trillion, not counting the war in Iraq. That number isn't far from Obama's huge, unsustainable, immense, and unconscionable liberal big spending budget. Both parties are statist, both are guilty of running up huge deficits. There are no conservatives in power, and haven't been for years. Maybe that ship has sailed, I don't know.

Hailed as a conservative by whom? It certainly wasn't Rush Limbaugh. Nor was it Hannity. Nor was it on any well known conservative source I know of. Certainly not me.

In 2000, Bush defined his candidacy with three overarching promises: to restore dignity to the Oval Office, to be a compassionate (that is, centrist) conservative, and to be a uniter, not a divider.

It was true that Bush was no conservative purist (some conservatives say that he was no conservative at all). True, but beside the point.

Bush was better than the alternatives, and he still is. That doesn't mean he's even remotely a conservative.

Now you have said repeatedly over and over, that there is no conservatives in power. Question... so what? How does saying that help anything? You seem to almost imply we should openly support leftist who will sink America into a socialist hell. If what you say is true, then we should redouble our efforts to elect the least socialist politicians we can.

 

[Andy]

More evidence.


Again, all the things about McCain and Palin, everyone knew. The stuff Obama did, very few knew. Why is that?

 

[PLC1]

If no one thought of Bush as a conservative, then why are the self described conservatives now saying that Bush was bashed in the liberal media, while Obama gets a pass?

 

[Ronaldus Magnus]

If no one thought of Bush as a conservative, then why are the self described conservatives now saying that Bush was bashed in the liberal media, while Obama gets a pass?

Because he was a republican. It has nothing to do with whether or not he was a conservative that he gets bashed. He was more right wing than the media leans. Thus the bashing, thus the pass.

 

[Andy]

If no one thought of Bush as a conservative, then why are the self described conservatives now saying that Bush was bashed in the liberal media, while Obama gets a pass?

Not being an actual conservative, doesn't mean he wasn't bashed. I'm not seeing the logic of your post.

The media is as far left as possible. When given any choices they will attack who ever is the least socialist.

 

[PLC1]

So, two different answers from two different conservatives. Is it because he is a Republican? Does the media dislike Republicans in general for some reason? Why would that be?

Is it because Bush was less "socialist" than Obama is? What makes him less socialist? Both of them advocated big government programs, if that's socialist. Neither of them has advocated government ownership of industry.

Is the media socialist? I haven't seen many articles urging government ownership of the media.

 

[Pandora]

So, two different answers from two different conservatives. Is it because he is a Republican? Does the media dislike Republicans in general for some reason? Why would that be?

Is it because Bush was less "socialist" than Obama is? What makes him less socialist? Both of them advocated big government programs, if that's socialist. Neither of them has advocated government ownership of industry.

Is the media socialist? I haven't seen many articles urging government ownership of the media.

Have you honestly not noticed the different treatment the media gives to republicans and democrats? Honestly?

That you could think George Bush was a conservative really makes me scratch my head. I supose compared to McCain he was a little... a very little and compared to John Freaking Kerry (who served in Vietnam) a lot. But compared to an actual conservative, not at all, but he is a republican. Not all republicans are conservative and not all conservatives are republicans.

Not all democrats are liberals and not all liberals are democrats, its odd that you dont see that. Obama is liberal as is much of his staff but Harold Ford Jr. is not liberal at all but he is a democrat, I would say that Harold Ford Jr is more conservative than McCain by a long shot and probably more conservative than Bush too!

 

[Pandora]

So, two different answers from two different conservatives.

Are you under the impression all conservatives think alike? why don’t you ever put these crazy standards to liberals, the libs are fighting eachother in the prop 8 thread daily but I don’t see you calling them on the fact that they don’t all agree...

 

[PLC1]

Have you honestly not noticed the different treatment the media gives to republicans and democrats? Honestly?

That is the allegation being made, that Republicans get different treatment, or that conservatives do. I'm really not sure which.

That you could think George Bush was a conservative really makes me scratch my head. I supose compared to McCain he was a little... a very little and compared to John Freaking Kerry (who served in Vietnam) a lot. But compared to an actual conservative, not at all, but he is a republican. Not all republicans are conservative and not all conservatives are republicans.

No, no, I never said that Bush was a conservative. What I said was that, if the "liberal" media favors liberals, which is what was being alleged, why would it treat a liberal like Bush differently from another liberal like Obama? That's what elicited the two different answers, one opining that the media doesn't like Republicans, either liberal or conservative, while the other said that the problem was that Obama was more "socialist" than Bush.

Not all democrats are liberals and not all liberals are democrats, its odd that you dont see that. Obama is liberal as is much of his staff but Harold Ford Jr. is not liberal at all but he is a democrat, I would say that Harold Ford Jr is more conservative than McCain by a long shot and probably more conservative than Bush too!

Exactly my point. Just because Bush was a Republican doesn't make him a conservative, so why should the liberal press treat him any differently that any other liberal? Maybe it is because he is a Republican, I don't know. Maybe it is because Bush was just not very popular. My hypothesis is that the liberal bias in the media is a myth.

Are you under the impression all conservatives think alike? why don’t you ever put these crazy standards to liberals, the libs are fighting eachother in the prop 8 thread daily but I don’t see you calling them on the fact that they don’t all agree...

Not at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think political philosophy is a lot more complex than a one dimensional continuum from right, or conservative to left, or liberal.

That's one reason I often use quotes around the terms "liberal" and "conservative". Those terms have different meanings to different people. Of course, not everyone who describes himself as a "liberal" is going to have the same philosophy, of course not. The same applies to "conservatives."

 

[Popeye]

For eight years, we kept hearing that the President was a complete boob due to his inability to speak publicly in the smooth, well-cultured manner his detractors insisted on.

And a few Presidents before that, we had one who WAS a good public speaker (they even called him The Great Communicator). But we were told for eight years that in his case, he was merely a product of slick marketing and packaging. Mostly by the same detractors.

Wow...look at that.."The Great Communicator" was using a teleprompter: