The Bible; The Unabridged-Version

[Mare Tranquillity]

What does MMCC stand for?

Man Made Climate Change

 

[Pandora]

Ahh

It was hard to try and follow you two when I did not know what that meant, thank you Mare.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

But you have proof that Christianity is a hoax?

Yes, I do.

Yet this is not your reaction to Christianity... Presumably because you have some "proof" that that their religion is a hoax...

Yes, read this thread and the books I've recommended.

Why then do you cast dispersions on my reaction to MMCC, I have taken my position on MMCC based on the "Proof" I have available... Have you not done the same with Christianity and therefore feel justified in "abusing" those who feel differently about the religion than you?

Right here on this thread I have given examples of some of the proof that Christianity as it is practiced today is based on a long and complex series of lies and myths. On this thread you have not produced anything to show that MMCC is a hoax.

Unlike Christianity, the MMCC crowd is using the power of government to force me to live my life as though I believe in their fairy tale. I find that just as objectionable as I would Christians forcing me to live as though I was a Christian.

The Christians force me to live by their rules every day of my life, they have hounded me, driven me from my home, threatened my life, beaten and raped people I know, and they have passed laws to take away from us the rights they claim for their own.

The globe is warming, and if NASA is to be believed so are the other inner planets of the solar system. We have been cutting down forests, and destroying the ecosystems that recycle CO2 while at the same time dumping millions of tons of CO2 and other heat trapping pollutants into the atmosphere. If one narrows the discussion to only man made climate change, then I would agree with you, but if one sees mankind as one factor in a large system, then it's obvious that we are having a deleterious effect. If the heating system in your house won't turn off, but you continue to pile blankets on the beds, then you can honestly claim that the blankets are not causing the heating of the house, but they WILL be a factor in how hot you are when sleeping. Maybe we can't turn down the furnace, but we can start taking the blankets off the beds.

Part of my problem with the whole argument is the insistence in taking such a narrow, black or white view. It IS happening, it's NOT happening. Mankind IS causing it, mankind is NOT causing it. We are part of a system and we have been damaging that system for a long time. Our ability to damage the system seems to grow each generation with our increasing technological power and our burgeoning population.

Are there people exploiting this issue to make money? Of course, you can't name an issue that someone ISN'T exploiting to make money, but that doesn't mean that every issue is a hoax.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

There was a book put out a decade ago about the Codex Sinaiticus, it was called THE SECRETS OF MOUNT SINAI, I don't recall the author. The Codex casts Christianity in a far different light than the Bibles of today. It becomes painfully obvious to anyone who looks honestly that the Bibles we use now have been edited, changed, massaged, and twisted for very human ends.

Another book that is quite good is THE FIRST COMING: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity by Thomas Sheehan. He postulates and supports the idea that Peter got Jesus' message wrong, that Jesus was just a messenger not the message. That because of Peter's mistake the teachings of Jesus became a religion which was actually the last thing that Jesus wanted. Sheehan is a theologian and the work is somewhat technical so most people never bother to wade through it, which is too bad because it's excellent.

also the book Misquoting Jesus, I found pretty good. Looked at how the book has been translated and changed over time.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

also the book Misquoting Jesus, I found pretty good. Looked at how the book has been translated and changed over time.

Yes, there are a lot of books on the subject. THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING SON OF MAN by Robert Price or THE JESUS PUZZLE by Doherty. Even the X-RATED BIBLE by Ben Edward Ackerley provides a good perspective.

 

[Dr.Who]

there is alot of stuff missing and changed from early texts, and quit" a few major branches of translation. Things like "let he without sin cast the first stone" is not found in early texts. Some of the things you find changed seem to have been changed to make the story fit the view they held...others becuse they felt part was in error so they "corrected" it...making stories not make sense in context with others becuse one person changed the meaning and thus the stories dont match up right anymore....there are so many errors in the book today that its hard to belive people still take it word for work with no context at all in mind.

Casting the first stone is indeed something that was not in all texts.

But it would be blatantly wrong to say that there are a lot of important changes in the bibles.

The truth is the various texts generally present the same truth and are in high agreement with each other. Differences tend to be insignificant.

 

[Dr.Who]

Why don't you try addressing the fact that the Bible is not much more than a hoax, perpetrated by those who wanted the masses to believe a certain way. How foolish one must be to take such nonsense word for word...

That is a silly assertion itself.

Most of the writers did not write to the masses but to a few. Most of the NT authors believed what they wrote and were willing to die for what they believed.

 

[Dr.Who]

There was a book put out a decade ago about the Codex Sinaiticus, it was called THE SECRETS OF MOUNT SINAI, I don't recall the author. The Codex casts Christianity in a far different light than the Bibles of today. It becomes painfully obvious to anyone who looks honestly that the Bibles we use now have been edited, changed, massaged, and twisted for very human ends.

It is painfully obvious that some people just want to believe that and will accept anything that tells them what tickles their ears.

The C.S. largely agrees with other codexes!!!

 

[Dr.Who]

Yes, there are a lot of books on the subject. THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING SON OF MAN by Robert Price or THE JESUS PUZZLE by Doherty. Even the X-RATED BIBLE by Ben Edward Ackerley provides a good perspective.

Price is the worst of the lot. He actually misleads his readers intentionally in his writings.

If you believe what he writes then that casts doubt on anything else you may believe.

 

[PLC1]

This is gonna drive our local-"moralists" NUTZ!!!

It appears this is "The Good Book"; pre-cherry-picking days.


Maybe our "moralists" need to spend a little-more-time with this, before they continue to tell others how to live their lives.....and, who to vote-for. ​

Have you read this tome, which was written in Classical Greek, or are you just telling us about what someone else has said?

 

[top gun]

Casting the first stone is indeed something that was not in all texts.

But it would be blatantly wrong to say that there are a lot of important changes in the bibles.

The truth is the various texts generally present the same truth and are in high agreement with each other. Differences tend to be insignificant.

That's actually not true. The differences are insignificant by human design, not holy.

In fact the Catholic Church picked and chose from gospels all of the same time periods and all of equally credibility and kept the ones that most mirrored their wanted interpretation and simply threw out the rest. This is very common knowledge in biblical research groups. In fact there was a whole History Channel or The Learning Channel series on it. It was very interesting.

And then to get his way the King of England further picked an chose, added and and threw out starting the Protestant sect.

 

[samsara15]

But you have proof that Christianity is a hoax?


Yet this is not your reaction to Christianity... Presumably because you have some "proof" that that their religion is a hoax...

Why then do you cast dispersions on my reaction to MMCC, I have taken my position on MMCC based on the "Proof" I have available... Have you not done the same with Christianity and therefore feel justified in "abusing" those who feel differently about the religion than you?

Unlike Christianity, the MMCC crowd is using the power of government to force me to live my life as though I believe in their fairy tale. I find that just as objectionable as I would Christians forcing me to live as though I was a Christian.

You may be right about Global Warming, but you are out of the mainstream of climatologists. By 2050, the case will be clear, but neither of us will be alive to gloat over it. Are you willing to screw future generations, based on your opinions? What if you are wrong, and you ARE on the wrong side of the majority of the specialists in the field of climate research?

 

[samsara15]

That's actually not true. The differences are insignificant by human design, not holy.

In fact the Catholic Church picked and chose from gospels all of the same time periods and all of equally credibility and kept the ones that most mirrored their wanted interpretation and simply threw out the rest. This is very common knowledge in biblical research groups. In fact there was a whole History Channel or The Learning Channel series on it. It was very interesting.

And then to get his way the King of England further picked an chose, added and and threw out starting the Protestant sect.

And the King of England therby started 450 years of religious conflict and warfare in Ireland, which continues, somewhat abated, even today.

Why do people even bother to pretend it has not been tampered with, and modifed, to suit political aims, over the centuries?

 

[GenSeneca]

You may be right about Global Warming, but you are out of the mainstream of climatologists. By 2050, the case will be clear, but neither of us will be alive to gloat over it. Are you willing to screw future generations, based on your opinions? What if you are wrong, and you ARE on the wrong side of the majority of the specialists in the field of climate research?

You are not making a rational argument. If you consider your argument of "What if you're wrong" to be rational, then you should begin praying to every God and following the tenets of every religion... After all, what if you're wrong? Eternity is a long time to spend in hell.

Additionally, Once upon a time there was a "Consensus" that the world was flat... thirty years ago there was a "Consensus" that the globe was cooling.... Consensus has always been a poor substitution for scientific fact.

 

[samsara15]

You are not making a rational argument. If you consider your argument of "What if you're wrong" to be rational, then you should begin praying to every God and following the tenets of every religion... After all, what if you're wrong? Eternity is a long time to spend in hell.

Additionally, Once upon a time there was a "Consensus" that the world was flat... thirty years ago there was a "Consensus" that the globe was cooling.... Consensus has always been a poor substitution for scientific fact.

In this case, however, the jury is still out, as I noted, albeit the majority of climate scientists think we DO have Global Warming. By 2050 it will be obvious which group of scientists, the majority or the minority, was right. That's a long wait.