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The greatest health care system in the world

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by PLC1, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    has come to this:

    People who worked, raised their children, put money away, tried to be responsible, now have nowhere to turn to. Those who are on welfare, of course, can still get medical care.

    What a sorry situation. There has to be a better way.
     
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    Ronaldus Magnus New Member

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    I saw the same 60 minutes. This was a public hospital, and they ended up getting help through private channels. I can't think of a better example of why to keep government out of health care. Case in point "public" hospital the only one in Nevada I might add.
     
  3. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    They did? So the hospital is still open, and still doing radiation therapy on this poor lady and other patients like it?

    Are you sure? That's great!
     
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    Not the original hospital (the public one), but through a private practice that she was put in contact with via the 60 minutes people. The program she was originally part of is still closed as for now. Every person mentioned received help from private sources. Even the older black man at the end.
     
  5. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    Wow! I had no idea. There is something to be said for investigative journalism, isn't there?

    Now, for those who don't live in Las Vegas, maybe 60 minutes could do some more spots.
     
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    This is exactly what I'm talking about. Even the reports that leftist claim is support for government health care, is actual an example of how it doesn't work. Here the publicly funded hospital is cutting services, and private clinics are flourishing.

    Once again, socialism never works.
     
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    If 60 minutes were really investigating instead of doing obama propaganda they would have said the problems are worse in other places, had these people lived in the UK they would have been denied sooner and with no where to go.
     
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    Dead on accurate. In fact, lack of prenatal care, is exactly why hundreds of mothers have to be shipped to the US every year, or have their children die.
     
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    Are you writing about Canadians, or about Mexicans? Yes, Mexicans often lack prenatal care, and hundreds are coming to the US to have their babies. I'm quite sure that Mexicans would trade their system for ours.

    How about Canadians? I have yet to read a post from a Canadian, or a citizen of the UK, or of Australia, or anywhere else saying that they would trade their system for ours.
     
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    It is in the UK that women who have breast cancer are being denied medicine because it’s too expensive. They have no where to go once denied. They can’t move to another state with different rules, or apply for assistance from the government or take a loan out on their house and pay for the meds. The story of women being denied medicine because the government could not afford it in the UK was in recent news; 60 minutes would not have had to search too hard to get that information for their story.

    My very good friend lives in Canada and though the government treats the symptoms of her daughter’s disease that’s all they do. She has a website for American friends to raise money for research for her daughters disease, she asks her American friends to help with the service dog her daughter needs. I suppose Canadian friends help too, but the point is if she wants help she has to figure out a way to do it herself.

    I have another friend who lives in Canada who came to the states for eye surgery because that type of surgery was not offered in Canada, Another lady I know, who is more a friend of my sisters is from Canada and she also was on a 3 year waiting list for her knee surgery.

    Right now these people from Canada can drive to the states for the things Canada won’t offer... what will they do when we are their twin?
     
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    Spot on everyone! This is an example of government not working.

    It is also an example of an individual being dependent on government and not taking responsibility for her own actions.

    Isn't the reason we all work so hard all our lives to accumulate assets is so that we can use those assets in our time or need? This women previously had work. she bought a home.

    I am all in favor of a safety net so that those who find themselves unable to provide for themselves have some sort of recourse. But this women was not without resources of her own. She could have sold her house and emptied her bank accounts. If she had enough to pay for the treatments then she would have enough. If she did not have enough the she would be eligible for medicaid. Either way she gets treated. She could have also relied on friends and family and the kindness of charity - which is exactly what she ended up doing, capitalism worked for her and she did not even have to sell her house. She also could have moved to a place where the public government hospital was not failing and then she would not have had to use her own assets nor those of kind strangers. (Though using the gifts of kind strangers is better than letting Uncle Sam wrestle it away from people with the threat of law and then printing money thus raising "taxes" on every single American poor or otherwise in the most unfair way.)
     
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    I saw a few days ago a stat that showed that about 1.4 of the people in my state dont have health care right now. figure thats not hard to bleive with unemployment at like 10% in areas of the nation. but its the best health care system for the rest...unless you count the rest of us paying more then we can afford and then having to sue to get anything actuly done with it later.
     
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    1/4 of the people don't have health insurance or health care? There is a distinction.
     
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    insurance...but yes if they get shot they will get help...but if you needed preventive care or anything, your screwed still. fall and Break a arm, your screwed...anything like that,
     
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    If it never worked, how can it once again never work ?

    Are you saying that the US military, financed by the government never worked ?

    Maybe you are right because it has FAILED for the last 40 years.

    Comrade Stalin - Socialist Destroyer of the Hitlerite Filth
     
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