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The Jury Is In... They Really Are Total Loons

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    If you don't think the Republican Party, and the uninformed screaming protesters are a pack of total loons, wait until you read this.

    Last week at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire some wingnut showed up with a fully loaded pistol straped to his side like some cowboy western. He wasn't their to protest health care reform, he came to protest the existance of the federal government. We was wearing a t-shirt that said "It's time to water the tree of liberty". That slogan refers to a speech given by Thomas Jefferson which stated, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    Today in Phoenix, Arizona at another Obama town hall meeting it got worse. Remember this is the state that just passed a law allowing their citizens to take their concealed guns with them, if they have an easy to obtain permit, when they go out for a night of bar hopping. Today, there was about a dozen protesters that showed up armed with guns. One of them actually brought his assault rifle, an AR-15 semi-automatic weapon. According to the Phoenix police, the gun packing angry wingnuts didn't need permits, and the police said no crimes were committed and no one was arrested.

    Combine that with the Republican lies about Obama planning to kill senior citizens, and the hate mongers on the radio and television spewing out language about Obama being a Nazi, a racist, a socialist, not even an American citizen, and only a total fool would be blind to the path were rushing down.

    If the Phoenix police are correct that no crimes were committed, then I think it's time to rush through a new law making it a crime. Congress should pass a new law prohibiting any individual, except on duty law enforcement, from coming within 1,000 yards of the president with any firearm in their posession. That should be a federal law to protect any president, current and future. When the wingnuts pitch a hissy fit, send 'em a box of kleenex and tell 'em to get over it.

    Here's the Associated Press story....


    By AMANDA LEE MYERS and TERRY TANG, Associated Press Writers Amanda Lee Myers And Terry Tang, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 59 mins ago
    PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

    Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

    Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

    The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

    Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who monitored the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.

    "Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

    Last week, during Obama's health care town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a sign reading "It is time to water the tree of liberty" stood outside with a pistol strapped to his leg.

    "It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."

    Police asked the man to move away from school property, but he was not arrested.

    Fred Solop, a Northern Arizona University political scientist, said the incidents in New Hampshire and Arizona could signal the beginning of a disturbing trend.

    "When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

    He said he's never heard of someone bringing an assault weapon near a presidential event. "The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation," he said.

    Phoenix was Obama's last stop on a four-day tour of western states, including Montana and Colorado.

    Authorities in Montana said they received no reports of anyone carrying firearms during Obama's health care town hall near Bozeman on Friday. About 1,000 people both for and against Obama converged at a protest area near the Gallatin Field Airport hangar where the event took place. One person accused of disorderly conduct was detained and released, according to the Gallatin Airport Authority.

    Heather Benjamin of Denver's Mesa County sheriff's department, the lead agency during Obama's visit there, said no one was arrested.

    Arizona is an "open-carry" state, which means anyone legally allowed to have a firearm can carry it in public as long as it's visible. Only someone carrying a concealed weapon is required to have a permit.

    Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.

    "To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

    He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.

    Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.

    "In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."

    Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls for comment.
     
  2. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    one of these days, some nut will do that, do something dumb, and some people are going to get killed....you don't think SS had about 5 guys with them in the scope watching if the pres even came close? Its good to know the right has the militia men out in full force again ( by right, I do not mean Republicans overall)
     
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    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    When someone starts a long post with that flagrant a lie, no point in reading the rest.

    (yawn)
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    no thats just threads you start....
     
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    I will say firstly, that I am a strong second amendment supporter. I often carry, and in Alaska you dont need any license for concealed carry. I also own a number of what one could classify as an "assault rifle".

    But openly toting an AR-15 into a townhall meeting is uncalled for. There is no call for it. I work part time working the gun counter in a sporting goods store. I see all types.
    I hate to say this, but something tragic will eventually happen. Then that will give fuel to those who do want to legislate more and give reason to increase restrictions.

    The right wing media, being so inflammatory and idealogy driven creates a stir any chance they can, and millions of people swallow thier propaganda daily and repeatedly.
     
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    I wonder, have you ever said this about the left?
     
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    First of all, the man was never even inside with the President and there was no danger to the President.

    Additionally, the man would not have been allowed inside with such a weapon, regardless of state law, because when the Secret Service handles a site it becomes a federal site, thereby nullifying any state law that would allow an open carry.

    The President was never in danger because of this.
     
  8. TruthAboveAll

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    Right you are! Personally, I'm thankful that we've got those "wingnuts". They give the small minded something to focus on. There are many fabricated purposes to suit this fabricated word.

    So since we cannot use reasoned discourse as a method, perhaps we should just be thankful that they ARE out there, to counter-balance the DEMENTO-crats on the left.
     
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    Thank you, BigRob, for throwing yourself on that sword and reading that original post in it's entirety. I can keep him safely ensconced on my ignore list.
     
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    Bunz, you receive my respect again for your open support of the 2nd.

    About the 'right wing' media. Inflammatory? I guess it can be to a few. There are those who are susceptible to that in any group of a given size you want to put together.


    Ideology driven? Yep. No doubt. But at least they state it clearly. It is evidenced by them, their stations, magazines, etc. It is received by their listeners, readers, etc. And it is confirmed by their advertising sponsors. They are not reliant of support by taking from others who are unwilling.

    Stir things up? Of course. Since our pre-Revolutionary days, that is how things have gotten done, how things have gotten changed.

    Millions of people? Good. The more the merrier, and the message of the ideology reaching more and more.

    Propaganda? Sure. By definition (M-W), it is the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person. I know your insinuation, as is typical in the use of this word, is the focus of rumor. Even a rumor can be fact-based, so I take limited umbrage to that. That still leaves a solid two out three, so I'll definitely take it as a valid word. And the purpose. Absolutely.

    Injuring - any institution, cause or person that is not conducive to freedom, rule of law, constitutionality, etc. is a fair target as far as I'm concerned. "Injuring" is up to and including destroying the faulty philosophy or argument embraced by any institution, cause or person in the field of ideas and persuasion. It's not burning a building, blowing up a bus, throwing paint or ANY person.

    Propaganda appears to be a wrongly denigrated word. So due to it's accepted negative connotation, I protest your use of it. But by the use of it from a factual sense, okay...
     
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    It's quite amusing to read the nutty attempt to defend bringing your guns, especially a semi-automatic rifle, to a town hall meeting. Those comments certainly go a great distance in proving the accuracy of the post's title.

    Then there's bit of moonbattery... "Ideology driven? Yep. No doubt. But at least they state it clearly.."

    Actually what the Republican leaders are doing is called lying. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they're not all as dumb as doorknobs, they know the difference between truth and lies. Claiming our government is planning to initiate "death panels" is a lie. A really, really stupid lie, but apparently not to the rank and file Republican.
     
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    No one broke any laws and no one got hurt. What is the problem? Does "law abiding" translate into "nutty" in your book simply because you don't like the law?
     
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    From the OP:

    It seems Big Rob is right. The gun toting protesters were not inside with the pres, where one of them could have taken a shot at him.

    Still, I wonder whether there will be an assassination attempt, and how it will end:

    Will it end like the attempt on Kennedy, i.e., successful, or like the attempt on Reagan, unsuccessful but still tragic?

    Will an unsuccessful assassination attempt be one more parallel between Obama's presidency and Reagan's?

    Stay tuned, folks, this is getting interesting.
     
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    Aside from all the other idiocy of this thing, you get the award for using the word of the week, 'racist'. Thank you!
     
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    You are gonna win the game two weeks in a row :)
     
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