the left and right wont unite

There are quotes in his book where he talked about being more comfortable with people who were Marxist and he sought them out as friends.

You could look there for more information on his thinking


Also his church, they openly practiced Marxism for the black community. He spent 20 years in that church.

His wife during the primaries would talk to women in women’s groups about not going into a professional field, staying away from Ivy League colleges and Wall Street and to stay in the community and give back. To accept that they have to take a smaller piece of the pie for the good of others… That smaller piece of the pie stuff for the good of the community is Marxist thinking.

All of this is documented if you cared to research it.


I don’t think you really feel he is Marxist in his thinking and the beauty of our country is you have the right not to think that

Since no one has convinced me yet, no, I don't really think he is a Marxist. I do think he is a big government statist, as was Bush, and Clinton, and most likely McCain as well.

While I don't think he is taking the country in the right direction economically, I also don't see a great difference between what he is doing and what his predecessor did, nor in what McCain would probably have done.

As a trade off, we have a president who can speak clearly, who has put an end to torture (I think so anyway, can't really prove it), and who has a better shot at getting the cooperation of foreign nations than Bush ever did.

So, until we have a government that is really committed to a balanced budget and less federal power, I'll have to be content to scoff at the more ridiculous claims against Obama, and hope to heaven he doesn't deepen the recession too much.

How's that for being an Obomabot?
 
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Since no one has convinced me yet, no, I don't really think he is a Marxist. I do think he is a big government statist, as was Bush, and Clinton, and most likely McCain as well.

I don’t know much about Statists, I have heard the term but I have not researched it, I will though. He might be more of a statist than a Marxist but till I have looked into it I am sticking with Marxist because that is the closest term I have found for him so far.

While I don't think he is taking the country in the right direction economically, I also don't see a great difference between what he is doing and what his predecessor did, nor in what McCain would probably have done.

Bush spent more money than all the other presidents combined in 8 years, 2 wars, Katrina, 911, and a host of other issues…… and obama spent more than that in 60 days… Yes they are twins Har Har har!

As a trade off, we have a president who can speak clearly

umm… with a teleprompter yes, its just what he says that’s so damn scary!

who has put an end to torture (I think so anyway, can't really prove it)

Odd, I thought he did not take torture off the table. I will look that one up again

and who has a better shot at getting the cooperation of foreign nations than Bush ever did.
So far he sucks, no one wants to put troops in with us to fight in our overseas contingency plan, the president of France just said he is going to ask him to walk across the channel next time he sees him (meaning like Jesus) who was that leader who called him ignorant? Was that the nut in Venezuela? Yeah, a coalition of … ourselves?

So, until we have a government that is really committed to a balanced budget and less federal power, I'll have to be content to scoff at the more ridiculous claims against Obama, and hope to heaven he doesn't deepen the recession too much.

Good idea, if it works for you then that is all that matters.

How's that for being an Obomabot?


Nah, you are not a bot. Bots refuse to see even the smallest flaw in the anointed one.
 
I don’t know much about Statists, I have heard the term but I have not researched it, I will though. He might be more of a statist than a Marxist but till I have looked into it I am sticking with Marxist because that is the closest term I have found for him so far.



Bush spent more money than all the other presidents combined in 8 years, 2 wars, Katrina, 911, and a host of other issues…… and obama spent more than that in 60 days… Yes they are twins Har Har har!



umm… with a teleprompter yes, its just what he says that’s so damn scary!



Odd, I thought he did not take torture off the table. I will look that one up again


So far he sucks, no one wants to put troops in with us to fight in our overseas contingency plan, the president of France just said he is going to ask him to walk across the channel next time he sees him (meaning like Jesus) who was that leader who called him ignorant? Was that the nut in Venezuela? Yeah, a coalition of … ourselves?



Good idea, if it works for you then that is all that matters.




Nah, you are not a bot. Bots refuse to see even the smallest flaw in the anointed one.

All politicians have their flaws. Some have more flaws than others.

Most of us tend to see more flaws in politicians with whom we disagree, or so it seems to me.

Statist:
stat·ism (sttzm)
n.
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.

Here's another one, with just a little more hype:


Statist

Modern day supporter of political slavery; A secular State-Worshiper; Member of the cult of the State; An irrational, immoral, collectivist parasite which leeches off the productive private sector at the point of a gun, while attempting to justify such behavior through invalid, unethical, altruistic arguments. Uses statist law (oppressive edicts backed by criminal violence) to intimidate and run the neo-slave racket. Typically found in government, politics, bureaucracy, police, military and law; aka Supporter of such; Governmentalist; Nationalist; A degenerate sub-human who makes your life a living hell; An accident just waiting to happen...

That one is just a tad over the top, I think.

When I use the term, I'm referring to anyone who sees big government as the solution to every problem, rather than as a cause of many of our problems.

It looks like the term "statism" has many different meanings, just as "liberal" and "conservative" have many different meanings.
 
So, is a graduated income tax a Marxist ideal?
Yes, it is. Its even one of the Planks from the Commie Manifesto. But feel free to call him a Progressive... not really much difference between a Marxist and a Progressive. They say the same things, have the same enemies, use the same tactics, advocate for the same ideas and policies.

Going back to Obama's quote... he laments that there isn't more "freedom" granted to the federal government to redistribute wealth because he, and all progressives, see income inequality as a social and economic injustice most easily rectified through the Progressive system of a graduated tax.

Remember what I said, the tax system, to the progressives, is about "Fairness", not revenue. Class warfare is the agitation of the "have nots" against the "haves" in order to gain support for policies that promote "Fairness". Of course this notion of "Fair" is never defined and, at best, is antithetical to the idea of individuals being treated as equals under the law.

Here's Obama from the campaign:

The moderator is discussing capital gains tax and Obama's stated interest in doubling the tax to Clinton levels. The moderator points that every time the rate was raised, revenue went down, every time it was lowered, the government saw more revenue as a result. Obama knows this is the case, so the moderator asks why Obama would raise the rates if he knows it will result in less revenue.... Obama's answer:

"Well Charlie, what I've said is that I will look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness."

There's that nebulous term "fairness", there's his admission that the tax system is a weapon for social justice and not a necessary evil who's sole purpose for existence is the funding of government.

He then launches into a class warfare spiel about hedge fund managers... Typical class warfare rhetoric.

While Marx would certainly be proud that his ideas are so well accepted in America, he'd probably be disappointed that Marxists have to call themselves Progressives because Americans instinctively know that socialism doesn't work and Marx couldn't hold a candle to a single founding father.
 
its like this, the battle between the Donkey and the Elephant is FAKE!

its a bit of theater!

ALL Presidents since LBJ have been puppets of the Military Industrial Complex
(or NEW WORLD ORDER ... or whatever its really called)

Obama does NOT work for WE THE PEOPLE
he works for GREED INC.!
 
its like this, the battle between the Donkey and the Elephant is FAKE!

its a bit of theater!

ALL Presidents since LBJ have been puppets of the Military Industrial Complex
(or NEW WORLD ORDER ... or whatever its really called)

Obama does NOT work for WE THE PEOPLE
he works for GREED INC.!

You could be right but there are some differences.

How much you are taxed is one
The way we defend our nation is another
The protection of babies
And more

So perhaps in the grand scheme of things they are the same, these issues still matter
 
You could be right but there are some differences.

How much you are taxed is one
The way we defend our nation is another
The protection of babies
And more

So perhaps in the grand scheme of things they are the same, these issues still matter

But they all have supported the graduated income tax, haven't they? Is there any president in the past 60 years who has advocated a flat tax?
 
But they all have supported the graduated income tax, haven't they? Is there any president in the past 60 years who has advocated a flat tax?

I agreed on that, I just put what I did not agree on.

I know Ron Paul wanted to abolish IRS, I like that but I hated his thoughts on Israel. I think Huckabump did too or at least something like it but I would not vote for him, I am still mad at him.
 
I agreed on that, I just put what I did not agree on.

I know Ron Paul wanted to abolish IRS, I like that but I hated his thoughts on Israel. I think Huckabump did too or at least something like it but I would not vote for him, I am still mad at him.

Now, what did my pal Mikey do to you?
 
Now, what did my pal Mikey do to you?

That horrible beast did everything he could to turn baptist against Romney and when he knew he could not win but he could take Romney down with him he did it by splitting the conservative vote. We might very well have not been stuck with McCain if that stupid huckabump would have bowed out when he realized he was not going to have a snowballs chance in hell.

I wont watch his show on fox either, Im kind of mad at them for constantly shoving the idot in our faces on a variety of their talk shows.
 
That horrible beast did everything he could to turn baptist against Romney and when he knew he could not win but he could take Romney down with him he did it by splitting the conservative vote. We might very well have not been stuck with McCain if that stupid huckabump would have bowed out when he realized he was not going to have a snowballs chance in hell.

I wont watch his show on fox either, Im kind of mad at them for constantly shoving the idot in our faces on a variety of their talk shows.

He did kind of make a religious issue where there should have been none, didn't he? Romney was probably the best candidate of those who had an actual chance of winning.
 
Well maybe the hard Left & Right won't unite... but there's a whole big lot of getting together in the middle.;)

 
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Well ok, I agree the middle is doing better

We are now in 4 groups

hard left
hard right
middle right (tea party people)
middle left (dig out your flag and fly it for the first time in ages)

OOOOOO are you talkin' flag poles again? I'm so sorry I was blind!;)

 
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