The Obama Agenda!!!

[Mr. Shaman]

Whew!!

It's lookin' like the "first-shot" might be fired at the greedy, self-centered Flat-Worlders!!!!!

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"President Bill Clinton lifted the ban in January 1993 as one of his first acts as president, but President George W. Bush reinstated it in his first executive order on January 22, 2001, the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade."

 

[Chip]

And thereby Obama provides indication that he's simply no different, nothing special, and just as Neanderthalistically flat-earthy as any other pro-abortion liberal Democrat.

To attempt a regression to a more butcherous past is not evidence of the progressive human rights label he was touted to wear, but merely indicates that he is out of touch with modern day science that has declared beyond rational conjecture that a person, a unique individual human being, begins to live at the moment of conception, and is thereby endowed with the foundational right to life.

He panders for favors ... at the expense of the very lives of people he obviously considers a disposable bargaining chip.

Until a true pro-lifer is in the White House, whoever is sitting there will lack both of the high IQ and EQ qualities necessary to also create economic recovery and prevent recessions in the future.

Color of skin is thus proven to be irrelevant.

What matters is that the President is truly in touch with his heart and the hearts of all people everywhere, no matter how old or how young those people are.

 

[PLC1]

Until a true pro-lifer is in the White House, whoever is sitting there will lack both of the high IQ and EQ qualities necessary to also create economic recovery and prevent recessions in the future.

We had a true pro lifer in the WH for the past eight years, and we've had them in the past. Why, then, is it that those true pro lifers weren't able to end abortion, let alone create economic recovery and prevent recessions in the future? Were any of them to have had such a remarkable power, then we wouldn't be in a recession currently, would we?

Color of skin is thus proven to be irrelevant.

What matters is that the President is truly in touch with his heart and the hearts of all people everywhere, no matter how old or how young those people are.

That much is true, no doubt about it. Do you think the new pres is more in touch with the hearts of all people everywhere than the outgoing one is?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And thereby Obama provides indication that he's simply no different, nothing special, and just as Neanderthalistically flat-earthy as any other pro-abortion liberal Democrat.

To attempt a regression to a more butcherous past is not evidence of the progressive human rights label he was touted to wear, but merely indicates that he is out of touch with modern day science....

Yeah....sure.....and, we need to put more drug-addicts in prison, as well, right? ​

"The lowest abortion rate in the world in 2003 was for Western Europe (12 per 1,000 women aged 15–44), where contraceptive services and use are widespread and safe abortion is easily accessible and legal under broad grounds."

 

[Chip]

We had a true pro lifer in the WH for the past eight years, and we've had them in the past. Why, then, is it that those true pro lifers weren't able to end abortion, let alone create economic recovery and prevent recessions in the future? Were any of them to have had such a remarkable power, then we wouldn't be in a recession currently, would we?

GWB was not pro-life.

GWB was anti-abortion.

His pro-capital punishment, pro-deadly war for oil, etc. mentality was not indicative of the pro-life position.

What makes GWB so horrific is that he pandered to his constituency to go to the polls and vote for his economic policies by "promising" to end abortion, a promise he never intended to keep as losing abortion as a voting motivator would be self-defeating for his ilk with regard to future elections.

That much is true, no doubt about it. Do you think the new pres is more in touch with the hearts of all people everywhere than the outgoing one is?

More or less is topically irrelevant.

If he cannot respect the hearts and the right to life of everyone, no matter how young or old they all are, he thereby exhibits serious neuropsychological flaws indicative of someone who lacks both the combined IQ and EQ necessary to progressively solve problems with the necessary respect for all human rights.

 

[Chip]

Yeah....sure.....and, we need to put more drug-addicts in prison, as well, right? ​

Unrelated, topically irrelevant, ... and thus meaningless.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Unrelated, topically irrelevant, ... and thus meaningless.

Whatta great description of "conservative"-politics, where punishment is Priority 1.

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[Mr. Shaman]

If he cannot respect the hearts and the right to life of everyone, no matter how young or old they all are, he thereby exhibits serious neuropsychological flaws indicative of someone who lacks both the combined IQ and EQ necessary to progressively solve problems with the necessary respect for all human rights.

I don't recall Obama insisting on denying anyone's Freedom Of Choice....unlike this country's "moralists", who figure they DO know what's best for everyone (else).​

 

[PLC1]

GWB was not pro-life.

GWB was anti-abortion.

His pro-capital punishment, pro-deadly war for oil, etc. mentality was not indicative of the pro-life position.

What makes GWB so horrific is that he pandered to his constituency to go to the polls and vote for his economic policies by "promising" to end abortion, a promise he never intended to keep as losing abortion as a voting motivator would be self-defeating for his ilk with regard to future elections.

So, now we have a new definition to the term "pro life". Well, who really fits that definition? Usually, people who are against abortion are for the death penalty, and vice versa.

Did Bush promise to end abortion? I don't recall that, but maybe he did. If so, he promised what he knew, and his supporters and political enemies alike should have known, he couldn't deliver. Abortion was legalized by the Supreme Court, and can't be outlawed by the president or the Congress.

More or less is topically irrelevant.

If he cannot respect the hearts and the right to life of everyone, no matter how young or old they all are, he thereby exhibits serious neuropsychological flaws indicative of someone who lacks both the combined IQ and EQ necessary to progressively solve problems with the necessary respect for all human rights.

If that is so, then who in Washington doesn't have "serious neuropsychological flaws?

 

[Chip]

I don't recall Obama insisting on denying anyone's Freedom Of Choice....unlike this country's "moralists", who figure they DO know what's best for everyone (else).​

Comparing one erring faction to another erring faction in the hope of finding one faction to be inerrant is, simply, illogical, hopeless ... and a great waste of time.

There remains three general categories of human rights: life, security of person, and freedom of action, in this natural order of conflict resolution hierarchy.

As we have progressively exhibited in the recent centuries with regard to post-natals, no one's "freedom" rightly overrides the very right to life of another.

Over three decades ago, subsequent to Roe v Wade, science presented beyond rational conjecture the reality that a person, a unique individual human being, begins to live at the moment of conception.

Armed with the facts of this truth, the human rights-respecting right thing to do is to make sociologically murderous abortion illegal.

Obama, however, plans to make one of his first acts of office a blatant disregard for the right to life of pre-natals.

It does not matter as much now how much GWB erred and how.

What matters now is how much BHO errs and how.

 

[PLC1]

Over three decades ago, subsequent to Roe v Wade, science presented beyond rational conjecture the reality that a person, a unique individual human being, begins to live at the moment of conception.

Did you post a link to that somewhat astounding statement? Maybe I missed it.

How do you define the phrase "begins to live"?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If he cannot respect the hearts and the right to life of everyone, no matter how young or old they all are....

Comparing one erring faction to another erring faction in the hope of finding one faction to be inerrant is, simply, illogical, hopeless ... and a great waste of time.

Well....at the very-least....you'd admitted your erroneous-hypothetical. ​

It does not matter as much now how much GWB erred and how.

How compassionate, of you.

 

[Chip]

So, now we have a new definition to the term "pro life".

False.

The term "pro-life" has always accurately been as I have implied, a complete respect for the life of all who are not in the immediate process of attempting to take the life of another and, in so attempting to murder, they might thereby die as an unintentional yet rational response of self-defense to keep them from murdering.

Well, who really fits that definition?

The fact that those reflecting either of the dualistic polemics of contemporary liberal and conservative philosophies may not rightly qualify as pro-life does in no way detract from the fact that the majority of the silent moderate majority does.

We continue to get the Washinton politicians we do because getting elected is all about appealing to extreme factions with money.

Usually, people who are against abortion are for the death penalty, and vice versa.

Which makes them anti-abortion, not pro-life.

Did Bush promise to end abortion? I don't recall that, but maybe he did.

GWB pandered to his constituency in 2004 by championing the partial birth abortion prohibition act immediately before the election, subsequently giving relevant speechs on the matter indicating that a vote for GWB was a vote for the lives of the unborn.

He could have championed this act in previous years ... but his timing was a deliberate act to motivate his constituents to go to the polls so that the 2004 election wouldn't be as close as the 2000 election.

He did the same thing that year with regard to prohibiting gay/lesbian marriage.

His pandering is disgustingly obvious.

He never had any intention of working for either issue after he was elected ... as evidenced by the fact that he effectively dropped the matters after he was elected.

If so, he promised what he knew, and his supporters and political enemies alike should have known, he couldn't deliver. Abortion was legalized by the Supreme Court, and can't be outlawed by the president or the Congress.

First of all, how many people to whom he pandered truly understood the operations of the government -- not a ton of them, I would imagine. But, he didn't care -- he knew he could get many to the polls with his pandering.

As for what he could do, he could replace a retired liberal Supreme Court Justice with one who is more respectful of all human rights of all people, one who is in touch with modern day science ... and then someday Roe v Wade would be rightly overturned.

If that is so, then who in Washington doesn't have "serious neuropsychological flaws?

Well, in effect, we rest our case ... though Ron Paul may come the closest to being relevantly unflawed.

Nevertheless, it does us no good with respect to the human rights of all to lament how disrespectful most money-faction pandering politicians are.

What does us good is to recognize the truth of the foundational right to life of all and to champion that truth, chastizing all who advocate violation of it ... until one day a truly honorable person appears upon the political scene.

 

[Ejgertz]

With everything else going on in the country, this issue is not key to our recovery as a nation at this time. I understand the passion for the issue but have never thought it had a place in politics. As far as Obama goes, I voted for Mccain but I am willing to see what Obama does before I crucify him. I'm trying to remain open minded at this point.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

False.

The term "pro-life" has always accurately been as I have implied, a complete respect for the life of all who are not in the immediate process of attempting to take the life of another and, in so attempting to murder, they might thereby die as an unintentional yet rational response of self-defense to keep them from murdering.

Gee....a protection-clause for clinic-bombers and sharpshooters.

How pro-life of you.

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