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The President of the US orders a private citizen to quit his job

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Little-Acorn, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    If government chooses not to abide by the limits imposed on it by the Constitution, then that government has NO limits.

    For those of you who believe that "It was best for the country that he step down, so that makes it OK for govt to tell him to leave" is an acceptable excuse, see the first sentence in this post.

    Let's see... The Obama admin chose to decide which comapnies could fail and which couldn't, then made it so by doling out a trillion or more US dollars to the lucky ones.

    Then they decided to control the salaries of some of the employees. Not many... but how long will that limit be in place?

    Now they've decided to take the responsibility of deciding who can work where. Again, they haven't applied it to many... yet.

    Keep in mind, though, that now that they've successfully violated the 10th amendment's prohibition on interfering with a private company's internal operations (salaries, hiring & firing etc.), we no longer have a government that is held back by the law. Instead we have a government that does not interfere even further, only because it has decided on its own not to do so... for now. This is the difference between the "Rule of law" and the "Rule of men". And the U.S. government has come down firmly on the wrong side of that difference.

    Remind me again why I should NOT think we are careening headlong into a socialistic form of government?

    When you ignore the limits impose on the American government by the Constitution, you wind up with a government that has NO limits. We're not there yet... but the light at the end of the tunnel, is looking more and more like an approaching train. An EXPRESS train.

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    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html

    GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest

    by MIKE ALLEN & JOSH GERSTEIN
    3/29/09 5:23 PM EDT
    Updated: 3/29/09 7:53 PM EDT

    The White House confirms Wagoner is leaving at the government's behest.

    The Obama administration asked Rick Wagoner, the chairman and CEO of General Motors, to step down and he agreed, a White House official said.

    On Monday, President Barack Obama is to unveil his plans for the auto industry, including a response to a request for additional funds by GM and Chrysler. The plan is based on recommendations from the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry, headed by the Treasury Department.

    The White House confirmed Wagoner was leaving at the government's behest after The Associated Press reported his immediate departure, without giving a reason.

    General Motors issued a vague statement Sunday night that did not officially confirm Wagoner's departure.

    "We are anticipating an announcement soon from the Administration regarding the restructuring of the U.S. auto industry. We continue to work closely with members of the Task Force and it would not be appropriate for us to speculate on the content of any announcement," the company said.

    The surprise announcement about the classically iconic American corporation is perhaps the most vivid sign yet of the tectonic change in the relationship between business and government in this era of subsidies and bailouts.

    Wagoner has been CEO for 8 years and at GM for more than 30. It is not yet clear who would replace him, or what role the administration would play in that process.

    Industry sources had said the White House planned very tough medicine in Monday's announcement, which turned out to be an understatement. And it went to the very top. The measures to be imposed by the government will have a dramatic effect on workers, unions, suppliers, bondholders, shareholders, retirees and the communities where plants are located, the sources said.


    (Full text of this article can be read at the above URL)
     
  2. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    Guess what you want money from people in large amounts...they get to tell you what you have to do to get it. Welcome to the real world.
     
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    This really happened? I have not watched the news all day. Is this legal? It does not seem legal to me.
     
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    If only this could be applied to the tax system in this country.
     
  5. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    If I want money from youu in large amounts, will you then start telling me how to run my affairs?

    No, you will not. Because you'll tell me instead, that you can't give me that money, and that I'll have to find other sources or take the consequences of not having enough money.

    And the Federal govt should have given that reply, too... because they are forbidden by that same Constitution from handing out money that way.

    But they didn't. Hence their violations, and my reaction in this post.

    Again, see the second sentence of the OP. "Excuses why" don't make it any less true.
     
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    You're being ironic here, Pandora, right?

    Back to the subject:
    The power to do this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

    That's still true today.
     
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    Will anyone do something about this?

    Every single day it gets worse and worse. I knew obama would be a terrible president, I knew he did not care for the constitution or the laws of our country but in my worst nightmares I had no idea he would be this bad.

    Isn't there laws in place that can stop this?
     
  8. pocketfullofshells

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    Why is it so hard for you guys.....When you come begging for money...you are going to have take the strings, or just shut up and not get it.
     
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    So when the government comes begging for my taxes does that mean I get to "attach strings" or tell them "tough luck"?

    Government came and begged us all for money, why don't we have any say on whether or not we want to keep handing out billions to companies that are worthless... since we are supposed to be able to "pull the strings" in the "real world."
     
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    Sure, there are lots of laws in place... that forbid this. But as for "will they stop this", well, look around you.

    The principal law against this, is the 10th amendment.

    And if that doesn't work, there are two others, that must work in concert. Want to guess what those laws are?

    Whom did you have in mind?

    (BTW, I'm asking the same question, and I have someone in mind.)
     
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    It seems there are attorneys who would be willing to do something and there has to be people out there with the money it takes to fight it. I would donate to some fund to hire an attorney to fight the things that are happening that are against our laws.

    What is the other thing besides the 10th amendment? impeachment?

    I dont have anyone in mind but there has to be some one, who do you have in mind?
     
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    no thats the thing about taxes , sorry but thats the fact of life since the dawn of time.

    Other fact of life..if your a buisness or person and you come begging for money from others.. they are not just going to give it to you with no strings.

    If GM wanted to not do it, it had that right...its free to fail and go under if they wish...
     
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    yes I recall the law states, that if you want a bail out from the goverment, they must give it to you no strings attached...or none at all...nothing in the middle. good thing you did not go to law school..
     
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    Comrades
    Doesn't anybody understand the English language, much less use it correctly anymore? We keep speaking of Government as if it were something other than us. Folks! It is we. I'm sorry to blame you, but we just loaned ourselves all that monopoly money and gave it to someone else. If WE can select who we do business with and compel them to hire and fire people, then let's not worry about the incompetent manager of a business we're subsidising. Let US start with our own business and give "pink slips" to our employees, who are not simply incompetent but appear to be criminally insane. Let's YOU and ME, that would be US, the government, terminate OUR bad business policies and stop being bad financial monkeys! No more silly Geitnermonkey saying the "government", that would be US, you and me again, will help US by borrowing more of our own money that we don't have back from ourselves. Hello! I can't loan myself anymore money from myself again to me or my friends like GM, got it Timmy? Even if the man who hired you thinks you're smart, WE are not so sure. Try to do something smart or you will have to find a job elsewhere. Close the Federal Reserve, abolish the IRS, stop referring to the government as if it was a third party. Omigosh!!! So we do have a third party system after all? Never mind.
    JtheR
     
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    Actually the law states, that if you want a bailout from the government, you're out of luck. They aren't permitted to bail you out.

    Remember back when the Fed govt actually cared what such a law stated, and obeyed it?

    If you were born after about 1930, you probably missed that period.
     
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