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The Prostitutes of the System

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Aug 4, 2009.

  1. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    Make no mistake about it, our system is under siege. Forget about the speeches, the cleverly crafted press releases, just follow the money. Facing the biggest challenge they've ever seen, the health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and other health related industries have dug deep into their fat wallets and bought their defense. It's our elected officials in Congress and the Senate. That's their safety net. The very people that should have their focus on what's good for their constituents and our nation, have accepted the money, many of them receiving tens of thousands of dollars, some millions, and our elected officials are now shills for the health care industry, frequently even using the same verbatim language given to them by the health care industry.

    While the millions of dollars that have already flowed into elected officials accounts is public record, it doesn't yet represent what the collective health care industry is paying now to defeat a public option for all of us. They've assembled a virtual army of lobbyists that are camping on the doorsteps of members of Congress and the Senate. They're spending a staggering $1.5 million a day to block any change in the system. They make that much money. They're finding an ample supply of members of Congress and the Senate willing to take the money. Once they've sold out, our representatives have shown a shameful willingness to engage in outright lies to justify the monies they've received. Frequently you'll hear Republicans, and a few Democrats, cite statistics from The Lewin Group, referring to them as "a non-partisan research firm". That's a lie. It's not subject to any other interpretation, it's a lie. The Lewin Group is wholly owned by United Health Group, one of America's largest health insurance companies. How unbiased do you really think a research firm owned by a giant insurance corporation is about health care reform? It's reminiscent of the the doctors previously employed by the tobacco industries that used to present "research" showing their products were safe.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203696.html

    The distortions are intentional, usually enhanced to rise to level of actual lies. Keep in mind our representatives are being paid to lie. You can find actual speeches on the floor of Congress where Republicans claim the proposals being debated involve a government plan to actually kill senior citizens, and force poor people into having abortions. The health care industry actually has produced, and is airing a series of televisions ads that also make this absurd, and false claim. They're that afraid of having competition, even for the 47 million Americans that can't afford to purchase health insurance from them, or the Americans they refuse to sell to because of a pre-existing condition. A public option is just that. It's an option, not mandatory, an option. It would be virtually identical to the federal insurance program members of Congress and the Senate currently receive. Have you heard even one Republican that opposes this option announce they're withdrawing accepting their insurance coverage for the reasons they cite would be bad for us? You're not likely to either. They're not being paid to do that, just work to deny the same coverage to you they're currently receiving.

    Monday, August 3rd, MsNBC addressed that subject. Bought and paid for lackeys were named. The amount they've been paid to lie to us was revealed. Who paid them was stated. They won't feel shame, few prostitutes do, but maybe they'll feel a little heat after being exposed for what they are. Many were exposed as outright liars.... "Sen. John Thune of South Dakota? You gave the Republican rebuttal to the President's weekly address day before yesterday. You said the Democrats' plan was for '...government run health care that would disrupt our current system, and force millions of Americans who currently enjoy their employer-based coverage into a new health care plan run by government bureaucrats.' That's a bald-faced lie, Senator. And you're a bald-faced liar, whose bald face is covered by…your own health care plan run by government bureaucrats. Nobody would be forced into anything; and the Public Insurance Option is no more a disruption than letting the government sell you water, and not just Poland Spring and Sparkletts. But, as corrupt hypocrites go, Senator, at least you're well paid. What was that one statement worth to you in contributions from the Health Sector, Sen. Thune?"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/32277034#32277034

    Beyond the issue of doing what's right for America and our citizens, this is a test. We're going to know the answer in the next few weeks and months, but it is a test. We're going to learn if our elected officials really represent us, or is their only loyalty to their own personal gain. Is our government for sale to special interest groups with deep pockets? Is the function of our government now to aid and abet, and protect the enormous profit margins of giant corporations at the expense of our citizens? The answer to this test will have far reaching impact for all of us individually on a host of future issues.
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    How much-more "entertaining" (...'cause, that seems to be Priority #1, for too-many Americans) C-Span would be, if you heard more legislators making such statements.....rather than the kind o' B.S. Virginia Foxx insists!!! (What an appropriate last-name. :rolleyes: )

    See: New depths of GOP scare tactics

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    It's shameful that the Republicans won't allow an honest debate on this topic. To have a Republican member of Congress make a speech to the House and claim the government wants to kill senior citizens shows how low they're willing to go to spread lies so they can avoid a genuine discussion. They're not really that stupid, they know it's a lie, but they're willing to lie to America rather than actually debate the real issue.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    I also enjoy the big cry of...what if companies drop there insurance company and pay the money to have them use the govement plan instead...where is my choice.....tears....

    what if they chose to go from blue cross blue sheild to a cheaper plan at Alina? or some other plan? what if they chose to just cut it 100% to no health care? what if..what if..what if you wanted to change jobs...?
     
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    Blue Cross Blue Shield sucks.

    Politicians are disgusting. They are only loyal to themselves.
     
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    Hey, many Americans sent money right away {ASAP} to keep Oral Roberts from dying when he ascended that watch tower in Oklahoma and declared that the days of reckoning were coming and if he didn't raise 1 million dollars he was going to be called home to his saviour:eek: It would appear that the far right winged nut jobs are well versed to the knee jerk reactions of their idols/demigods/fearless leaders telling them nothing but B.S. and pass that kool-aide on over here, PLEASE!!! ;)
     
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    And that's not even the MOST ironic statement made by those wanting no improvement in our healthcare system.

    How about in one breath saying... The government plan will suck!

    And in the next breath... Everyone will choose the government plan and the private insurers will go out of business!:confused:

    It will suck but everybody will want it!:rolleyes:
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    they very well could, but I dont have much choise ( odd lack of choice) its what my company gives me....well offers i still pay a crap load
     
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    Its not the Republicans holding the bill up.
     
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    That is not how it is.

    They claim the government system will be inferior, but people will be all but forced onto it due to government subsidies of the program making it impossible to compete against.

    So its not that people will "love" it, they won't have a real choice.
     
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    "Its not the Republicans holding the bill up."

    That's not the topic of the post. The topic was the intentional lies being spread by Republicans. The topic was the millions of dollars Republicans have received from health insurance companies to spread the lies. The topic was Republicans are not willing to have an honest debate on refore, instead they resort to lies.

    Clear enough?
     
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    An honest debate about a bill that certain Democrats have openly said they will not bother to read?

    How can you debate something honestly that you have not even bothered to read?


    Further, according to the Center for Responsive Politics:


    This seems to fly right in the face of your assertion that tons of money is going to the Republicans to "spread lies."
     
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    Well it's a fact that Republicans are spreading lies. The government isn't planning to kill senior citizens. It's Republicans, only Republicans, that are making that claim, which is a lie. It's a fact that the health care reform doesn't include abortions for poor people. It's Republicans, and only Republicans, that are making that claim, which is a lie.

    So your contention is the Republicans are just spreading lies because that's just what Republicans usually do?
     
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    Well, the government is not going to come to anyone's door and shoot them or something no, I will give you that.

    This issue comes out section 1233 of the House Bill which calls for the "Advance Care Planning Consultation" (which would be required of all those on Medicare) to recommend "palliative care and hospice" for seniors. Palliative care and hospice generally (not always) focus only on pain relief until death.

    Therefore the idea is that the government will tell you that you are no longer worthy of being able to pursue health care that might be needed to keep you alive, and rather just focus on pain relief.

    True, nowhere in the bill will it say that abortion will be funded. What it does say however is that "family planning" would be covered. (In the House version) Once the bill would pass, it would then be determined what that means, which odds are would include abortion.

    Additionally, every amendment to specifically exclude abortion under that auspice in the bill has been voted down basically along party lines. That only furthers the speculation on that issue.

    My contention is that there are real things in the bill that have given rise to these "talking points" that are all over the place. While they might be a stretch, I would not call them "lies" persay.
     
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    I dont know, how did all those republicans vote for the Patriot act again?
    At least in this case its a flowing bill thats not set and changes so often it could change before you got to the end...and then when you read it, are you sure what you read is still what the bill says?
     
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