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The Question of Invading Pakistan

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Irishone21, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. Irishone21

    Irishone21 New Member

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    There is cogent evidence, which supports invasion of Pakistan, particularly the region of Waziristan, to which Ayman al-Zawahiri as well as the infamous Osama Bin Laden, whom many Americans believe is being used as a means to exploit and control the Middle East, are believed to be hiding. Osama (not nearly as big of a threat to national security as Obama) is widely assumed to have passed away sometime in the past. However, considering the hatred Americans have towards this titular head, his name continues to live on as a means to beguile the pliant, technologically dependent, masses of America.

    It is true, from a realist perspective, that if we choose to omit the emerging threat of Al-Queda officials who, according to the National Intelligence Estimate, have “regenerated key elements,” then we may be puting ourselves in a vulnerable state. Some may protrude this news as the makings of a Doomsday scenario, in which the Democrats will receive the blame for stalling decisive action. We very well may find ourselves in regret if we refrain from offensive action; after all, the common philosophy of political advisers in our government is that of a good offence, bringing to mind the famous phrase, “the best defense is a good offense”. This phrase also goes along with the theory and principle of war, which states, “if victory can be won, advance; if victory can not be won, assume a defensive posture”. These common lessons, whether true or false, are the subjective ideologies floating around Washington, repressing liberalism, and challenging the pride, or “hubris” as Greek historians would call it, of all thinkers surrounding this seemingly irremediable situation.

    Many believe we have reached a “point of no return” which was caused because of a family vendetta, fear of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, without forgetting our avid desire for Middle Eastern oil. All of these fears, insecurities, and questionable actions turned our country into a bellicose, imperialistic, arrogant superpower. We are seemingly approaching our anticipated downfall, which no human prophesier could have foretold prior to 9/11, with the exception of the brilliant thinkers of antiquity, and conspiracy thinkers that no one believes, nor respects enough to take into consideration. But it is true, the core of the capitalist world economy is mutable, and remaining the biggest superpower forever is a mere impossibility, noting the struggles of bringing global order, plus the dangers of remaining in a war based on folly, ineffective leadership, and ambiguity.

    Judging from all the illicit behavior in American politics, which has attached another stigma to the reputation of our country, even I, have lost a great deal of faith in the heroism of our nation. This stigma is a product of war mongrels and military advocates such as Rumsfeld and Cheany. Of offensive strategist such as Michael Gerson, to perjurers like Gonzalez, to elusive, would be perjurers, and political maneuverers like Karl Rove, down to the hypocrisy of republican homosexuals including the recent solicitor of gay sex, Craig, in addition to Folley, Haggard and others. Giving these unfortunate stains on the dignity of our nation, I can understand the aversion to American leadership. I also forgot to mention the prominence of fraud, which is being investigated by the Pentagon, the department which gave a nebulous response when asked about the whereabouts of over 19 billion dollars, which has been supposedly giving to Iraq, for improvements in Iraqi security. They claim they simply can’t account for this enormous sum of money, all while the media spends little time focusing on this conspiracy.

    Anything negative that pertains to our government is either censored, or hidden inside a newspaper full of unreadable information. The governments or corporals don’t want to bring our culpable Government any more trouble, as negative media that exposes government corruption runs the risk of Americans hearing depravity and rather then remaining content, oblivious, and apathetic as they usually do, strife may appear, strife in which our government in not prepared for.

    In regards to the invasion in Pakistan, I think that considering our current standpoint, it would be a fatal mistake, especially if done so without the consent of the Pakistanis. Perez Musharrat may have lost hold of his nation, and his career may be coming to a close, but if we step in, there could be repercussions that we may not be able to handle. Without first clarifying our intentions, or spending time diffusing a more positive, more liberal and peaceful message for Middle East to hearken, we will enter a country that may damage us more crucially then expected. We need to deliver a message that opposes the whole war, one in which forgives Al-Queda and retires the abused word, “terrorism”.

    If war is in fact inevitable, we, nonetheless, must try and exhaust all peaceful methods of resolution prior to engaging another country in state of war. We need to promulgate America as a nation that is not cynical, chauvinistic and arrogant, but as a nation that is altruistic, merciful, and progressive towards global prosperity, not poverty. A new wave of thought, that is optimistic of the outcome of providing for countries in need, rather than viewing patronage, and such altruistic endeavors as suggested as the “fastest road to national disaster.” Being a globalist has more to do with finding ways of turning competition into cooperation, which applies mainly to enhancing the worldwide economic situation that consist of only third world countries, some richer then others... globalist are more active in low policis, but in regards to high politics, such as security, attempts like “collective security” fail, for the diversity of the world creats a dicordant involvement, and when it comes down to it, self help is usually the only dependable aspect to security. A liberal mentality is more likely to reconcile this problem than conservitism.

    We can’t let the burning of American flags, nor the invective speeches of foreign speakers offend us, nor inflict us with the disease of hate. Optimism, Love, and deference to one true God is what we should emphasize in our diplomacy efforts, for emphasis on these three things are the only possible ways that we can help prevent potential catastrophes.

    Wake up! Don’t be molded into the same regressive state that a one-sided, often shallow media or other form of propaganda puts many in. Don’t be swindled by others… Don’t fall a victim to the brainwash that creates a illusive portrayal of our “national identity,” the same national identity infuriating and instigating the same enemies that we wish to appease. What we need is a contagious, decisive, liberal form of politics pervading our government, not regressive realist politics. Only a liberal mind can restore value to our government. Only a liberal mind can appropriately defend the civil liberties of all. Only a liberal mind can change our offensive power politics. We need to be considering all levels of analysis, and factoring in the effect of ones economic situation on their disposition. Instead of setting a goal of abolishing terrorism, we need to set the goal of changing humans.

    The liberal Revolution will prevail, as the ideas that bring harmony to all.
     
  2. steveox

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    YES It Should be done! But if Musharraf does not do anything about AL QUEDA then America should do something about Musharraf. He ether have his military combat Al Queda or were do it for him.Musharraf has Lied to George Bush.He lied to him about he doesnt know where Al Queda is nor he claims he said Bin Laden is dead.We have proof Bin Laden is alive and Musharraf is clearly giving the US a run around.
     
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    Bush lies to you everyday Steve.
     
  4. Irishone21

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    Stevo, do you realize the implications of invading another country considering the impression others have towards our country? What have we done to achieve peace? War will escalate if we invade their country without first trying other methods of resolution... complete utter chaos... we need to try other means to acheiving peace, and one of those means is talking about God and how this war does nothing but isolate our planet. We need to talk about our intentions, which need to change...
     
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    Well Bill Clintons way didnt work did it? Like Be Nice to the North Koreans. We need a Candidate who will be tough on Terrorism and Give Tax breaks to the Middle working class people and tax the wealthy!
     
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    Bill Clintons presidiency involved much less casualties to this so called "war on terrorism"... we very well may be seen as the terrorist in other areas, like a mirror image.

    We need the proper leadership that will change terrorist. I understand, the media and its onesidedness makes everyone think we need to be tough on terrorist, but military invasions will not profit our country w/o taking the proper steps... Trust me.
     
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    seriously steve, you need to be questioning the aggressivness of our administration...
     
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    Why not? FDR was an SOB to those Japs and Nazis wasnt he? And JFK was an SOB to Castro and Khrushchev. We need another SOB president whos a SOB to Terrorist and Businessmen.
     
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    Why? because we are not prepared. We have to look at this from a constructivist point of view... where in which, the right ideas and words, may influence them the way we had hoped.
     
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    I dunno, attacking n. korea would be a complete and utter chaos, it'd be a pure ****storm. However sanctions on a closed off country such as N. Korea, a resource war of attrition so to speak, works well. Infact N Korea is now dismantling it's nuclear program...http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/09/816D697E-5C2B-4275-9BA5-CF0955AA9796.html
     
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    Yeah cause Bush was making Kim Jung Scared. Samething is happening in IRAN now theyre scared.
     
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    You do realize

    You do realize that North Korea reconstituted their nuclear program, launched long range missles and tested a nuke, not during Clintons term but in response to Bush's policies.

    Now that they HAVE nukes, they are playing Bush like a harp and getting all sorts of concessions and shipments of oil from us, while maintaining their nuclear weapons...

    Oh yea, Bush's plan worked so well :rolleyes:

    http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/News/2003/inspectorsrecall20030103.html
     
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    Huh

    So Iran is claiming they have 3,000 centrifuges enriching Uranium last week because they are scared of Bush?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA23828120070902

    And the reason Iran is supposidly working with militias to kill US troops is because they are scared...

    And BTW, Iran also elected a hard liner to power during the Bush administration because they are scared....

    Really...

    So then if our policies with Iran and North Korea have been so successful, I assume you list our successes to counteract the Bush failures I linked to in this post and the post above.
     
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    Steve doesn't have the mental capacity for all this, and I don't mean this lightly. I'm being serious. He thinks any threat.... bomb the hell out of them.
     
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    If anyone can change the impending disasters, it is the American people... I'm not saying their needs to be some sort of dictatorship between the working class, which is broader then ever before, however, we do need to come to the realization that America needs change, and collectively, we need to demand this change. The wheel must turn. Capitalism, as I have said in former writings, is the "big apple" of modern times, comparing it with that of the apple offered by the snake that seduced Eve... Overcoming conformity to the system is our only hope... it is our "final test". Until we realize that becoming a slave to the system is in effect accepting drone-like and life-long servility, then the Revolution will merely be confusion and the product of conspiracy. Revolution is about justice and the liberation from wrong. It should not use the same tactics that are being used on us, which is spreading propaganda, and/or selfishly seeking power, whether violently or not. It is not about becoming indolent as a form of rebellion and universally refusing to work or pay taxes merely as a means to satisfy the balance of power.

    Revolution is about appealing to the morality of mankind...

    With enough people, striving for the same goal, demanding change, we can acheive the seemingly impossible "peaceful Revolution". What the Revolution needs is leadership... media time... a chance to speak to the people, and the opportunity to appeal to the morality of all people, rich and poor. Without this, it is like a scattered rebellion in disgruntled submission... This Revolution will stop the conservative dynasty, it will stop attribution bias, and it will refute the labor theory of value, all of which have been controlling our country for too long.

    The Revolution will be televised...


    All of this will change our reputation... terrorism will turn to humanism... and war will become peace.
     
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