1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

The True Nature of Islam

Discussion in 'Culture & Religion' started by Wag more, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ever wonder what Islam really says? Ever wonder whether Muslims are harmless or to be feared? Ever wonder about topics such a slavery and rights in Islam?

    Read on, in the words of "The prophet" himself.

    Quran (4:11) - "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"
     
  2. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    One of the most important aspects of Islam is treatment of women as second class citizens. Some have gone so far as to say women are treated as slaves and chattel.

    Sura (2:222) “They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.”
     
  3. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,027
    Likes Received:
    107
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Currently Belgium
    Sounds like the Alt-right philosophyy and the Evangelical "Christians!"
     
  4. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,217
    Likes Received:
    1,382
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Clearly you dont know of which you speak. Please show us evangelicals saying women are half of a man.
     
  5. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Well, since most of you "evangelicals" don't believe, or practice, what your scripture says it would matter little. However, you could read the Bible once in a while and you would see scripture such as this in Ephesians 5:

    "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

    Of course, as time goes on even the Evangelical is becoming more like the secular world then the world Christ, and His apostles, envisioned as the support for Trumps hatred by Jerry Falwell Jr. proves:

    http://religiondispatches.org/conservative-evangelicalisms-gender-role-rift-whither-women/
     
  6. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Leviticus 15:

    "And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

    And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

    And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even"
     
  7. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Mohammed is reported to have married a relative at the ripe old age of 10. His problems with women are well documented. Of course he says the angel Gabriel told him this was all hunky dory.

    • Sura (5:6) - "...if ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it."
     
  8. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Otie, if you fail to see the difference between these verses I feel sorry for you. The verse from Leviticus is advice on cleanliness. The same Bible book says to place latrines away from the camp, to avoid direct contact with dead bodies and to wash hands. MEDICAL ADVICE, Otie. And delivered to the Israelites 3000 years before western science "discovered" this.
    Mohammed says to rub dirt on yourself if you touch a woman. Really? Rub dirt on yourself? Sounds real sanitary to me.
    The Bible says to wash. Islam says rub dirt on yourself.
     
  9. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Quran (4:3) - "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
     
  10. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    83

    Pathetic ignorant Waggie. Do you even have a clue as to what the term "unclean" means, and if there be blood? Or the term "issue"? Since it refers specifically to women, and not all Jews, do you even have the ability to think it might have to do with more then just dirt?

    Virtually every religion has phrases dealing with a woman during her period (do you know what that is?). If you get the time look up Hinduism and Chhaupadi. Educate yourself before trying to challenge me. Even Dog knows better.
     
  11. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,217
    Likes Received:
    1,382
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    More significantly, their BC version if the law is all still in effect. No new covenants.
     
  12. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    83

    "BC Version"?
     
  13. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Quran 2:223. Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth when or how you will.

    This passage from the Koran, written by none other than "The Prophet" himself, says the man can have sex with his wife whenever HE desires. I guess in Islam the wife does not have to consent or be in the mood.

    Islam: Women = property of men.
     
  14. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I keep trying to get you to educate yourself, however, like any good Trumpkin, you prefer to be ignorant of reality, and the facts:

    https://www.quora.com/Are-women-Muslim-mens-property-Can-Muslim-men-abuse-their-wives

    Genesis 3:16 "To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall bring forth children; Yet your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you."

    And the man rules over the woman.

    Colossians 3:18 " Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

    Literally this verse reads, "Women, be in subjection to the men."

    St. Tertullian (about 155 to 225 CE):

    "Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the Devil's gateway: You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert even the Son of God had to die." 1,2

    St. Augustine of Hippo (354 to 430 CE). He wrote to a friend:

    "What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman......I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children." 10

    St. Thomas Aquinas (1225 to 1274 CE):

    "As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence."

    Martin Luther (1483 to 1546):

    "If they [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that's why they are there." 9


     
  15. Wag more

    Wag more Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Muslin imam explains wife beating:
     
Loading...

Share This Page