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The usa is a fascist nation.

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Saxon, Jul 1, 2009.

  1. Saxon

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    I have been reviewing the many diatribes between both liberal socialists and conservative capitalists in this site, and never have I felt more amused, especially with those who would decry me and my beloved fascism. I have been vilified for being a fascist, yet I wish to remind you all of one important fact:

    THE USA IS A DEFACTO FASCIST NATION.

    How did I come to this conclusion? Quite simple really. As the USA headed dangerously towards economic depression, you committed the unthinkable. You adopted fascist policies to stave off your own destruction, EXACTLY as the Nazis did. Has your government not, without your permission, taken your money and infused them into many corporations in the form of 'bailouts' in order to stave off their bankruptcies? Have you not even gone so far as to nationalise banks? This is the use of socialist policies in order to benefit the State. It is not true socialism, not when there are far more capitalist banks extant. The harmony between capitalism and socialism, as those with half a brain know, is FASCISM. I would beg any of you to differ. Please do.
     
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    Can you explain to me what you think are the worst parts of Facism?

    and also the best, please :)
     
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    well I know based on its history, it tends to lead to many dead jews ... that has been bad.
     
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    Never happened.
     
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    I can think of only ONE thing wrong with fascism, and one only. The fact that power corrupts, which may lead to a dictator who would thus become too hungry with his own power, leading to the elimination of so many of his own citizens. A fascist society with a good leader would benefit the nation and the people.

    The best parts of fascism relates to the fact that everything is about the nation, and as a result of that, the people themselves. If the State does well, so too do the citizens of that State, since one cannot exist without the other. Fascism is order, whereas all other systems invite chaos, as evidenced in both Canada and the USA. With order comes efficiency, and with efficiency comes wealth.

    Oh yes, we also keep the nutcase libtards silent forever.
     
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    What do you mean it never happened?

    I think he meant WW2 and the Holocaust
     
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    I like the protecting the nation part but I think the worst thing trumps the best thing. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely so it would always end up with a dictator eventually.
     
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    Holocaust, what Holocaust?
     
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    If Gandhi were leader of a fascist state, would you be saying the same thing?
     
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    I really was not crazy about Gandhi. I think getting along is good when possible but I think there is a time to fight to the death if you must.
     
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    OK I am thinking you are not kidding with me, so since you know what I mean and I have no idea what you mean... can you explain to me what your thinking is on the Holocaust?

    Do you think it was faked or it was really germans who died? I take it you don't think Jewish people were really rounded up and taken to camps and killed.
     
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    Man exists regardless of whether or not the state exists. It's the state that cannot exist without man. Only the states existence is dependent on the existence of man.

    The course we are on as a nation is a dangerous one and only made more dangerous by the willful political ignorance of the American electorate. Capitalism has been so demonized as a failure that just 52% of Americans said Capitalism was better than Socialism. Socialism was preferred over Capitalism by 22% and the remainder were not sure which one was better. Fascism, of course, was not in the poll because the pollsters know it would have received 1% of the votes or less.

    This is sad because, as I said, Americans are so willfully politically ignorant of what those three ideologies entail. They don't bother to learn about any of them from legitimate sources and through tireless research for the truth... They take other peoples words for it or just rely on the prevailing wisdom of popular sentiment.

    The failure of massive government corruption and intervention into the economy is blamed on Capitalism rather than the intervention and corruption that caused it. Capitalism is also equated with Anarchy and greed because people instinctively do not trust those who seek profit or otherwise concern themselves with their own self interest. Of course, most of what people know about capitalism is wrong and as the stoic philosopher Seneca once said: Its hard to unlearn what one learned early in life.

    Socialism has a taboo appeal for many Americans, especially the younger more idealistic Americans with little life experience but extensive indoctrination by the education system. Che T-shirts and flags are cool on campus, so are Communist symbols such as the Red Star, its all about "speaking truth to power" and complaining to fellow pot heads about being exploited by the capitalist system that holds you down. Socialism sounds most appealing to those without a pot to piss in, those just starting out in life as adults. Once you've earned the things you have, you suddenly recognize Socialism as the ideology of theft and slavery that it is.

    Fascism, people don't know what the hell that really is... they just know its real bad and has something to do with militarism, bigotry and genocide. What most people know about fascism is purely based on Nazi stereotypes and wouldn't fill a thimble compared to what is available for them to learn. Many cultures and societies were fascists but only the Nazi's were militant, bigoted, genocidal maniacs. Because of this aversion to everything Fascist, people don't educate themselves on the ideology.

    This makes people susceptible to the other aspects of the Fascist ideology that have shed the Fascist label but retain their collectivist and altruistic goals for society... the aspects of the ideology that drew in the Progressives of the 1920's and 30's, the aspects that current Progressives espouse today but don't associate with their Fascist roots. While historically documented, its just too absurd for them to believe anything Progressive could be rooted in an authoritarian ideology such as Fascism... and they willfully avoid educating themselves in search of the truth.

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    I really liked H.G. Wells growing up but after reading about him in this book I do not care for him at all now, well except for his books like Island of Dr. Marow and The Time Machine and stuff like that.
     
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    I think he knows what I ment..and does not belive it happened.
     
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    Yeah, I found that out last night. I dont understand though :(
     
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