Torture; SOMEone's Gotta Pay!!

[Mr. Shaman]

A few instances of waterboarding (which I do not consider torture) before the process was ended hardly means we torture anyone.

This is considered Accepting Responsibility For Your Actions, huh?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That's unfortunate then because the Geneva Convention, International Law, Army Field Manual and about a hundred other documents that go way, way back in time ALL say that yes it is.

They say it would be to do that to a POW, not some non-state terror group.

Ah, yes......only those (in-uniform) feel any actual-pain, right?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well I guess I`m old school. If it threatens national security and the safety of the American people, I say do what ever it takes. Torture or whatever.

Yeah....you're old-school, alright. ​

"In politics, Reagan was able to capitalize on the romantic notion that cowboys and country folk are straightforward and trustworthy.

However, Reagan's "straight-shooting" cowboy persona, like so many other things about him, was contrived."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

My argument is based upon known evidence....

.....More-commonly-referred-to (in "conservative"-circles) as Faith. ​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It is simulated drowning, the danger of death is quite small. On top of that, the CIA (that we know of) has only done waterboarding on a total of 3 people.

Whoops! You forgot to identify any names or locations. ​

 

[Unite Our Nation]

Terrorism is an interesting concept and one which I don't think many people have a real understanding of. Its not nice seeing pictures of bodies on streets, its' especially not nice seeing bodies and body parts strewn on the track of the Circle Line train that left Cannon Street Station at 8.40 and just after the points at Aldgate underground station went......... and its espcially not nice when it happens in countries where the protection of the rights of terrorists are held higher then those of the victims.

Okay touche....one emotional exchange for another....

So down to the unfortunate truth. Civilised countries such as the US and the UK are not that civilised. You, the citizen expect to be protected from harm and the consequences of terrorism, after all you cannot do it yourself! You turn on your television and look on horrified and revolted as two aircraft plough into symbols of what makes the US great. Its an unfortunate fact that people get hurt and people get killed whilst terrorism and those that perpetrate acts of terrorism can do so because of the freedoms and rights that you so readily enjoy and where symbolised by those towers.

Terrorism and freedom are an interesting mix don't you think? Based on the psychology of fear the intentional, deliberate and specific targetting of civilians in order to promote a cause and to instill a long lasting sense of fear and dread. Simple really isn't it! kill in such a fashion as to terrify the population into giving in. Which is what will ultimately happen if you allow them to take advantage of the freedoms you uphold.

So here we are in our civilised little world happily discussing the rights and wrongs of methods of behaviour that a majority of the worlds population would consider a normal way of life! Do terrorists get squeamish beheading US servicemen and women for the delight of others on the internet? No. Ah you say but we're civilised and have rights and laws and all that sh!t..... Well fine, you do and you will no doubt continue to live in peace and harmony but provided by people that are employed, trained and dedicated to protecting you and your way of life. Personally I don't care if they slice these bastards testicles off and shove them in their nostrils - which by the way happened to a mate of mine in Northern Ireland funnily enough by terrorists funded by the citizens of the good old US of A!!!

..........ah well never mind eh!

GREAT POST!!! You've described the issue totally.

 

[Unite Our Nation]

Dems bailing out ANYTHING makes me laugh my *ss off!!!

Thanks for the huge chuckle!!!!

 

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

.....More-commonly-referred-to (in "conservative"-circles) as Faith. ​

While it might be the first time I agree (( partial )) with the body of Dems typing here. The Geneva Convention and handful of other well documented and implemented doctrines within the Armed services state specificly that what is taking place can be viewed as torture.

The fact is that America helped to set up these doctrines for a good reason. If we allow ourselves to travel down the path as was done in Gitmo.. we will eventually seperate ourselves completely with any regard to human life in a war-time sencario. America must stand up and act accordingly as the number one super-power who are governed by laws and morals that can not be broken simply because of fear-mongering.

How far is the border between international terroists being tortured to civilians at home.

America must maintain its civil nature and not digress into "old school" methods. We not only avoid scrutiny from the global view but also ensure that our moral fiber stands above all in any situation.

As far as the quote by Mr.Shaman... Haven't we already addressed the fact that conservatives are not made up entirely of bible thumping wackos who view the world first thru religious dogma and second of rational thought?

Check your threads... I'm sure you will find it.
BTW... I myself.. while a believer in God.. am a conservative who believes pratical , logical thoughts superseed religous fever when applied to reality and what constitues morality.

Group us all togther if you like , but realize your doing so with ignorance. Not a witty intelligence. Opening the doors to the possibility that all social groups differ in varying ways might help you to get past this. (( I.E. not all Dems are atheists, Or gay , or socialpaths , or socialists , or liberal spenders , or liberal at all.. point made?!?! ))