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TrooperGate Heats Up

Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by Bunz, Sep 19, 2008.

  1. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

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    So much for "welcoming the investigation". Since Palin has been under the thumb and utter control to the national GOP machine, she has totally abandoned her ideas of accountable, honest and transparent government.

    All of the witnesses called to testify in the investigation of her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, are refusing to do so at the direction of the McCain campaign because they dont want the truth coming out about Sarah and her vindictive actions concerning her ex-brother in law before the election.

    After initially praising Monegan and saying she left on his own terms after he didnt want a different position in her cabinet, she has since gone on a smear campaign of him when it has become politcally necessary.

    As an Alaskan who has supported her as Governor, I am flat out disgusted.
    For her sake, I hope she wins the VP spot, because I am very skeptical if she will win re-election in 2010.

    Folks, her interviews and speeches have had zero substance, because she is in way over her head on. She is repeating the same worn out mantra over and over because she has nothing else to go on.

    Throw in her flip flops in the Trooper Gate issue and it makes me question the judgement of McCain for picking her, and Sarah for accepting.
     
  2. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

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    This is a column from the Alaska equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. An ultra right radio show host who has been squarely in the Palin camp since she took the Governors office.

     
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    I find the situation with Palin and the investigation evolving into a cover up. If she didn't have something incriminating to hide I think she would be more forthcoming, especially when she was for the investigation before being against it. :confused:

    I think it's important to get to the bottom of exactly what took place, especially before the election. Voters need to know the facts in order to make an informed decision about how Palin executes her administrative duties.IMO.
     
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    But Obama is exempt from such scrutiny.... and thats just fine with you?
     
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    If voters were making informed choices the republicans would be at zero in the polls.
     
  6. Bunz

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    Your joking me right? The amount of stuff I have read on this site alone about Obama and the nitpicking scrutiny the right brings out, I find this laughable.

    But either way, we are talking about Palin in this thread. Please keep it on topic. The issue here is possible abuse of power by the VP Candidate during her time as Alaska Governor. It is about her initial welcoming of the investigation, and then stone walling it for nothing but political purposes, or to evade politically damaging and embarrassing information coming out, especially before the November election. When it was agreed before she was named to the GOP ticket that October would be the target date for the indpendent investigators report.
     
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    Why couldn't Monegan fire a trooper who tasered a 10 year old, shot a moose illegally, and was caught drinking beer in a patrol car?

    Is that kind of think acceptable in Alaska? Any one of the three could have gotten a state trooper fired here, at least I think it could.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wa...s/2008/08/monegan_to_palin_maam_i_need_t.html
     
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    I'm not complaining about the time spent going over such issues on websites and forums, its air time in the MEDIA that bothers me... Its all "Pound on Palin with any unsubstantiated rumor we can find" and "Ignore the Messiah's Scandalous connections and deeds, which are easily substantiated but 'above our pay grade'"

    Please, be consistent and use such lines as this when Popeye and Top Gun come in throwing firebombs about McCain and Palin in Obama threads... Maybe even limiting their attack threads to one-per-subject since they tend to repeat themselves and open multiple threads covering the same topic. Thanks.

    Also... you closed a thread that Calidem posted about Palins email being hacked - saying it was a duplicate and to post elsewhere.... There is also this thread:

    Palin's Troopergate worsens with tape

    Just so I don't get too far "off topic", let me share this:

    TrooperGate has been extinguished.... Did Palin's dog just fart? Front page newstory there!
     
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    Hmmm

    I am confused Bunz First paragraph says this

    "she has totally abandoned her ideas of accountable, honest and transparent government."

    That sounds like you think she had honesty at one time but doesn’t now, was ethical but not now, was transparent but not now was accountable but not now. She abandoned those ideas.

    Then after that you wrote

    " don’t want the truth coming out about Sarah and her vindictive actions concerning her ex-brother in law before the election. "

    " she has since gone on a smear campaign of him when it has become politically necessary

    These things you are complaining about all happened before she was tapped. Trooper gate and what ever else you wish to complain bout.
    You are saying she had ethics, was honest and transparent till McCain tapped her, yet all of these things happened during a time you said she had those good qualities.

    Just say I don’t like the fact she is running against my messiah damn it! And get it over with. That would be far less confusing to understand.
     
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    Document contradicts Palin's Troopergate claims

    This is the woman that when first picked promised full transparency and to cooperate fully with the investigation. Instead, the McCain/Palin campaign has been doing everything possible to stonewall, including having Palin's husband and others ignore subpoenas and refuse to testify. It's looking more and more like Palin has a great deal to hide.


    No wonder they are ignoring the subpoenas.


    http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5844710
     
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    They're making a big deal out of nothing.... The dude, her brother in law came out on CNN and told on national tv how he tased his kid and did a bunch of other stupid things, like being drunk while wearing his cop uniform.
     
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    Let me clarify things a bit here. Firstly, shooting the moose "illegally" was dealt with. But it is fair to note that his ex wife (Sarah's sister) is the one who had the permit. She for some reason didnt shoot the moose in question(I have heard she was gun shy, but that is besides the point). So her husband did. It was not made an issue of until there was a nasty divorce and political gameswomanship involved. Either way, Wooten readily admitted to it, and was punished including a 5 day suspension without pay that will never leave his personnel record.
    As for tasering the kid, there was no electricty involved. It was set on the training mode, it was done at the repeated requests of the 10 year old. Now dont get me wrong, it was a bone headed thing to do, and I dont condone it a bit. That issue was also dealt with.
    Lastly, the drinking on the job, that has never been proven and is at this point a baseless accusation.

    There are already policies and regulations concerning dealing with state employees and especially Troopers. Wooten was dealt with according to those long standing regulations.
    Generally no. I am close personal friends with 3 State Troopers and the far majority of very professional and hard working law enforcement agents who work in very demanding and unique situations. It would be horribly unfair to lump them together in this regard. But again, there are means of dealing with this, and they were. The reasons for the various personnel boards and such is to cut through the fat when it comes to political and or personal/domestic differences.
     
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    Well again, it goes both ways. Honestly, I am getting to the point where I cant stomach cable news much anymore at all.
    Firstly, I apologize if it appears I am inconsistent in this regards. I do my best to remain fair and consistent. I have done a fair amount of chiding of both of the other members you mentioned.
    That extra thread about troopergate will be closed as well. It came in after I was outside for the day.

    Just so I don't get too far "off topic", let me share this:



    TrooperGate has been extinguished.... Did Palin's dog just fart? Front page newstory there![/QUOTE]

    Thanks for sharing. I find it frackin hillarious that little Hollis French is being made the focal point of this whole thing. Firstly, the committee in question is made up of 8 GOPs, and 4 Dems, and French has quite often been in Palin's corner on most issues. He had some comments taken out of context and we find ourselves in the current situation.
     
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    Yeah that is what I am getting at. She is under the very direct and heavy thumb of the McCain campaign.

    The first quote I was referring to the McCain campaign.
    Let me make some things clear. Before she was tapped, she welcomed the investigation and had generally nice things to say about Monegan.
    Then after she became involved in a national campaign, she has refused to cooperate and has smeared Monegan. She did a total 180 since her nomination.

    My Messiah? Give that a break Obamanation :rolleyes:. We have been through this before. In a very personal sense, I have much more to gain from Palin being the VP rather than Biden.
     
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