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Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash

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  1. Stalin

    Stalin Well-Known Member

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    The standard "free" world narrative is that the Russkies are a pack of liars and we have wonderful chaps protecting life and life.

    Shame Edward Snowden blew that cosy idea out of the water...

    "..The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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    “A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

    “[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

    The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

    The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

    At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.."

    http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

    Comrade Stalin
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    No. The only question is why Putin felt the need to shoot the passenger jet down.
     
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  3. Stalin

    Stalin Well-Known Member

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    Cui bono /kwiːˈboʊnoʊ/ "to whose benefit?", literally "with benefit to whom?" is a Latin phrase that persists.[1]

    The phrase is a double dative construction. It is also rendered as cui prodest.

    It is a Latin adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be.[2]

    Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat, for example.

    The Roman orator and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero, in his speech Pro Roscio Amerino,[3] section 84, attributed the expression cui bono to the Roman consul and censor Lucius Cassius Longinus Ravilla:

    L. Cassius ille quem populus Romanus verissimum et sapientissimum iudicem putabat identidem in causis quaerere solebat 'cui bono' fuisset.
    The famous Lucius Cassius, whom the Roman people used to regard as a very honest and wise judge, was in the habit of asking, time and again, 'To whose benefit?'


    Another example of Cicero using "cui bono" is in his defence of Milo, in the Pro Milone. He even makes a reference to Cassius: "let that maxim of Cassius apply".[4]
     
  4. Stalin

    Stalin Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean the US has no need to publish because everyone knows they are honest and correct ?

    Comrade Stalin
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    No I mean you silly attempts to divert attention from the murder Putin wrought on the civilian aircraft do not fool anyone.
     
  6. Cruella

    Cruella Well-Known Member

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    No one outside of Russia believes anything written on rt.com. You really need to get a better source.
     
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    Texas_tea Well-Known Member

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    BO just wish he had control of that kinda propaganda .....
     
  8. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    we leave that to Republicans and Fox news...
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    land of 10,000 lakes and 2 senators again
    small Penis?
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Could be but I suspect he was looking for a way to get a quick end to jis colonization effort.
     
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    It appears now the Ukrainians do not want to release the air traffic control transcripts of MH17. This could possibly answer why this plane was diverted to fly over a war zone.

    Of course one would need to ask why doesn't the Ukraine government release these transcripts? Could it be they may reveal that the Ukrainians were behind this attack?

    Don't forget the Assad chemical weapons story ..... Just saying.
     
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