Understanding the Enemy

[Gipper]

Absolutely, I do agree that a Middle East in which all the players were proliferating nukes is not the way to go. Having said that, the largest nuclear power in the region is Israel, and yet no one seems at all worried about them.

Apparently you know little about the ME.

Nearly all the ME nations do not want a nuke Iran. They all fear Iran and know the Iranians want their Persian empire back plus they desire the return of the 12th Imam (look it up, as I suspect you are unaware) and the Iranian kooky leader has said over and over Israel must die.

Yes Israel has nukes...thank God for that. But, the ME nations know Israel is a rational nation unlike Iran. And, it has no desire to build an empire or believe in crazy fantasies.

Should we take people by their words or like you believe something else? Meaning your thinking is Iran would NEVER start a nuke war...why?...to what ends?... This is foolish thinking. But, you have much company. For example, most of Europe ignored the threats from Hitler's Germany though he made his intentions imminently clear.

You and Neville Chamberlain fail to learn from history.

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

well said Gipper

I actually forgot about the 12th Imam

Thanks for the refresh!

 

[orogenicman]

I am?? and that word in part of your quote (4 quotes below which is in RED) ... is what?

It's called a typo. Note my response #703 where I corrected the mistake and apologized for it. It was supposed to read "mormon".

Got It - a LIBERAL NICETY!

there you go again ... AFRAID??
You are so off track it is actually hilarious!

the name of my religious preference HAS NO NAME other than FAITH

I do not follow any organization which wants to flaunt my God with a star, cross, fish, or bumper sticker.
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To have a name means it is labeled as a structured business (aka RELIGION)
I RELIGIOUSLY WASH MY HANDS WHEN I USE THE TOILET

So OCD is your religion? Wow, that's a new one.

PAY ATTENTION: I am NOT connected with a monastic or religious order of any sort.
Faith is NOT a Not For Profit Business Organization like .
You may follow a God, Incorporated business - I do NOT!
.... is that simple enough ... yet?

WHAT is so hard to understand? ... the God I know never came downtown and registered a business - nor did he appoint someone to do so in His name.

At the same time, you mention that you worship Jesus Christ, so how is it that you claim that you aren't a Christian (noting that you don't belong to any particular denomination)? I don't believe in God, so whatever you thought I believed you can rest assured it isn't true.

You are STILL stuck on THAT??

Not really. Just pointing out the obvious.

Jesus was a prophet as far as I can tell ... like Moses and other people in the Bible.

I will say this ... WHEN I PRAY FOR MY NEEDS - they are met very well!
When I have a need which is not asked for - it is also met very well!

And there is no way that your prayers being answered are mere coincidence?

MY God (He who I have FAITH IN) is amazing!

I'm happy for you.

It took me finding my God to get my life together! ... and LIFE IS NOW GREAT!

And no effort on your part had anything to do with it?

 

[orogenicman]

Apparently you know little about the ME.

Nearly all the ME nations do not want a nuke Iran. They all fear Iran and know the Iranians want their Persian empire back plus they desire the return of the 12th Imam (look it up, as I suspect you are unaware) and the Iranian kooky leader has said over and over Israel must die.

Yes Israel has nukes...thank God for that. But, the ME nations know Israel is a rational nation unlike Iran. And, it has no desire to build an empire or believe in crazy fantasies.

Should we take people by their words or like you believe something else? Meaning your thinking is Iran would NEVER start a nuke war...why?...to what ends?... This is foolish thinking. But, you have much company. For example, most of Europe ignored the threats from Hitler's Germany though he made his intentions imminently clear.

You and Neville Chamberlain fail to learn from history.

Do you know any Iranians? I do. None of them want tyhe Persian empire back. Just because their leadership is nuts doesn't mean that they all think the same way. In fact, many young Iranians like the west and prefer to have a more secular society than they have. Did yo not notice the riots that occurred there in recent months?

Dude, I don't think anyone should have nukes, not even us, much less anyone in the Middle East. There are simply too many hot heads on all sides. Israel is no different in this respect. They have their fanatics as well.

Speaking of Hitler, perhaps you should do a google search for Godwin's law.

 

[AgainstTheMachine]

It's called a typo. Note my response #703 where I corrected the mistake and apologized for it. It was supposed to read "mormon".

I replied to the post before that ... did not look at other posts ...

So OCD is your religion? Wow, that's a new one.

Obsessive/Compulsive? ... or are you suggesting that you are a slob?

NORMAL PEOPLE wash hands after they use a toilet - YOU DON'T?



At the same time, you mention that you worship Jesus Christ, I have never in over 25 years claimed to worship Jesus - LEARN TO READ - you have accused me of not being able to read -- NOW STEP UP AND PROVE YOURSELF ... wrong! so how is it that you claim that you aren't a Christian (noting that you don't belong to any particular denomination)? I don't believe in God, so whatever you thought I believed you can rest assured it isn't true. as far as I am concerned - it is of no matter to me ...



Not really. Just pointing out the obvious.



And there is no way that your prayers being answered are mere coincidence?
nope


I'm happy for you. ... don't be!



And no effort on your part had anything to do with it?

... sure in part ... God helps those who help themselves!

 

[BigRob]

Absolutely, I do agree that a Middle East in which all the players were proliferating nukes is not the way to go. Having said that, the largest nuclear power in the region is Israel, and yet no one seems at all worried about them.

Like you say, no one seems all that worried about them. Israel is not going to be a proliferation threat to anyone really.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Like you say, no one seems all that worried about them. Israel is not going to be a proliferation threat to anyone really.

no one worries about them? you mean the west does not...many other nations do worry about them with it.

 

[Gipper]

Do you know any Iranians? I do. None of them want tyhe Persian empire back. Just because their leadership is nuts doesn't mean that they all think the same way. In fact, many young Iranians like the west and prefer to have a more secular society than they have. Did yo not notice the riots that occurred there in recent months?

Dude, I don't think anyone should have nukes, not even us, much less anyone in the Middle East. There are simply too many hot heads on all sides. Israel is no different in this respect. They have their fanatics as well.

Speaking of Hitler, perhaps you should do a google search for Godwin's law.

Nice post. It reveals much about your illogical thinking.

1. You admit the Iranian leadership is nuts. Then state many Iranians are not nuts. So what? This proves nothing but your naivete. Most Americans do not want socialism, but BO is giving it to us. So, you see it does not matter what the Iranian people want. Did the riots change anything???
2. No one should have nukes. Really?...similar to no one should have a gun. Right? Wake up DUDE...living in a fantasy world is...naive.
3. Israel is not different you say...really? Once again your lack of understanding speaks volumes. The "hot heads" control Iran. Hot heads do not control Israel. See the difference?
4. Godwin's Law...ah yes history does repeat itself because people like you fail to learn from it. Throughout history there has always been crazy dictators with bad intentions. You would think libs would learn from this...but no.

 

[BigRob]

no one worries about them? you mean the west does not...many other nations do worry about them with it.

Some nations might claim from time to time that they do, but the actions of those nations seem to indicate otherwise.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Some nations might claim from time to time that they do, but the actions of those nations seem to indicate otherwise.

I think actions tend to be more, don't piss off the US, and that they have no power to do anything about it.

 

[orogenicman]

Nice post. It reveals much about your illogical thinking.

1. You admit the Iranian leadership is nuts. Then state many Iranians are not nuts. So what? This proves nothing but your naivete. Most Americans do not want socialism, but BO is giving it to us. So, you see it does not matter what the Iranian people want. Did the riots change anything???
2. No one should have nukes. Really?...similar to no one should have a gun. Right? Wake up DUDE...living in a fantasy world is...naive.
3. Israel is not different you say...really? Once again your lack of understanding speaks volumes. The "hot heads" control Iran. Hot heads do not control Israel. See the difference?
4. Godwin's Law...ah yes history does repeat itself because people like you fail to learn from it. Throughout history there has always been crazy dictators with bad intentions. You would think libs would learn from this...but no.

1) So what? Name one war that the Iranians started in the last 100 years? Just one.

2) No one should have nukes. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it. If you think having nukes is similar to owning a gun, then you are crazier than I originally supposed.

3) Hot heads aren't controlling Israel. That's news to me.

4) Did you look up Godwin's law?

 

[Gipper]

1) So what? Name one war that the Iranians started in the last 100 years? Just one.

2) No one should have nukes. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it. If you think having nukes is similar to owning a gun, then you are crazier than I originally supposed.

3) Hot heads aren't controlling Israel. That's news to me.

4) Did you look up Godwin's law?

Good Lord...give me strength...

Iran is the leading pusher of terrorism in the world and has been since your beloved Jimma Carter unleashed Islamic fanaticism...but some think they are just nice sweet people minding their own business. Their leader denies the Holocaust and daily shouts death to the Jews, wants to bring about the return of the 12th Imam, asserts regularly that all Israel must be destroyed... But, don't pay any attention to that....he's just being silly.

And in your mind, there is no difference between these two men...

 

[BigRob]

I think actions tend to be more, don't piss off the US, and that they have no power to do anything about it.

I think nations will put their security over "pissing off the US." You can see this in their actions now with Iran allegedly pursuing a weapon. Their security is threatened and they are reacting.

Since this did not occur with the presence of an Israeli weapon, one has to assume they do not view Israel as the same level of security threat.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I think nations will put their security over "pissing off the US." You can see this in their actions now with Iran allegedly pursuing a weapon. Their security is threatened and they are reacting.

Since this did not occur with the presence of an Israeli weapon, one has to assume they do not view Israel as the same level of security threat.

that has alot to do with the Sunni Shia power play, more then anything with the US I think...SA wants to be the big power..Iran is its rival...the USSR vs US of the middle east...with Israel being the bastard child with a big army no one likes and wants around.

also there is the issue of nations tend to back off...when you have the nukes, vs when trying to get them...like North Korea....once they had them....all of the sudden it was everyone stops talking so tough...does not mean N K is less a threat

 

[orogenicman]

Good Lord...give me strength...

Iran is the leading pusher of terrorism in the world and has been since your beloved Jimma Carter unleashed Islamic fanaticism...but some think they are just nice sweet people minding their own business. Their leader denies the Holocaust and daily shouts death to the Jews, wants to bring about the return of the 12th Imam, asserts regularly that all Israel must be destroyed... But, don't pay any attention to that....he's just being silly.

And in your mind, there is no difference between these two men...

Still waiting for you to cite one single war they've started in the last 100 years. So Jimmy Carter unleashed Islamic fanaticism? That's a rather amusing, if idiotic, claim.