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Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons - the evidence you never saw

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  1. Truth-Bringer

    Truth-Bringer New Member

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    Vince Foster was murdered. There is plenty of evidence to prove a cover up. The details are here.

    The main piece of evidence is the handwriting analysis on the "suicide" note that most people have simply never seen. The government says that the park police and the FBI did a handwriting analysis and confirmed the suicide note was Vince Foster's. Problem is, they both only analyzed one piece of writing. That's a violation of all forms of handwriting analysis, not to mention the FBI's own procedures. Also, the park police officer who did their analysis wasn't even trained or qualified to do so!

    Yes, the man who paid for private analysis by 3 highly reputable experts was a conservative, but again, compare the experience of the 3 men below with what the park police and the FBI did. Bottom line, if that note was a forgery, that means it had to be murder:

    "The fabrication of a "suicide" note by high officials, is just one more indication that Vincent Foster did not commit suicide.

    With us today are our expert panel whose reports you have copies of, as well as the torn note, and a set of known documents written by Vincent Foster.

    Mr. Reginald E. Alton, from Oxford Univeristy, has flown in for this conference. He is a world-recognized expert on handwriting and manuscript authentication. For 30 years he has lectured at Oxford on handwriting, and has engaged in forensic document examination.

    Recently he ruled on the authenticity of C.S. Lewis's Diaries. He has been consulted by British police authorities and has testified in British courts on both criminal and civil matters involving questioned documents.

    He has determined the note to be a forgery.

    Mr. Vincent Scalice, is formerly a homicide expert with the New York City Police Department. He is a certified Questioned Document Examiner with the American Board of Forensic Examiners. He has 22 years experience as a document examiner, and has worked for some of the country┬╣s largest institutions in this capacity, for example Citicorp and Chemical Bank.

    He has determined the note to be a forgery.

    Mr. Ronald Rice has 18 years experience performing civil, criminal and forensic handwriting examination. He is a consultant to the Massachusetts Attorney General's office. He has examined documents on a number of celebrated cases, and recently was asked by CNN to examine notes written by O.J. Simpson.


    He too has determined the note to be a forgery.

    Three experts--70 years of combined forensic examination experience--conclude forgery.

    Both the Park Police and later the FBI determined the note to have been written by Mr. Foster.

    But look more closely. The Capitol Police handwriting expert compared the so-called Foster note to only one document--which is not in keeping with a proper and complete examination. We learn today from Mr. Christopher Ruddy, the reporter from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the the Park Police used the services of [a] Sergeant from the Capitol Police who has never been certified as a document examiner.

    Later the FBI, and former Special Counsel Robert Fiske reports, found the note to have been written by Foster, again by comparing it to a single document and several checks written by Foster. Like so much of the duplicity in the Fiske report, we learn that the checks proved an inconclusive match to the note. The FBI violated standard forensic procedures to match the document.

    Former FBI Director William Sessions has charged that his firing the day before Foster's death led to a "compromised" investigation into the death."

    The details of their handwriting analysis reports - which have NEVER been questioned as being inaccurate - are here
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    This has long been debunked. The Clinton body count, the Bush body count, yada, yada, yada. Someone should move this to conspiracy theories.
  3. Truth-Bringer

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    LOL. You need to open your eyes.

    For the record, I don't agree with everything in the Clinton body count. Most of it is reaching. However, the facts on Vince Foster's death are irrefutable.

    There were plenty of people who claimed Foster was not depressed and was not suicidal. Even Hillary said she noticed nothing different about his personality.

    All of the independent investigators stated Foster's death was a suicide, but there are problems with all of their stories. Look, you really need to read the information on the link I provided:

    "The Fiske Report.

    Robert Fiske was the first Independent Council appointed to investigate the Whitewater scandal. For a variety of reasons, including his past association with BCCI (a failed bank involved with the laundering of drug money), Fiske was considered by many unsuitable to investigate the various failed S&L in the Whitewater affair (many of which also appear to have been involved with the laundering of drug money) and Fiske was eventually replaced by Kenneth Starr.

    The Preliminary Report On Vincent Foster by Robert Fiske. (see my first link for this link)

    Note that Fiske's report was only preliminary. His final report on Vincent Foster remains sealed. When the Wall Street Journal filed a Freedom Of Information Act request to force the release of Fiske's final report, the court, in an unprecedented prior restraint, ordered the Wall Street Journal not to report on the case, or to even mention what the final ruling actually was.

    This illegal prior restraint is one of the indicators, which reveals how terrified the government is of the facts behind the death of Vincent Foster."

    Simple questions - how do you explain the analysis done by the handwriting experts with over 70 years of experience and impeccable credentials on the suicide note that conflicts with the analysis done by law enforcement? You don't think Clinton firing FBI director Sessions one day before Foster's death was the least bit suspicious?
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    The problem is you don't have a lot of "facts"...you have a lot of opinions and some inconsistencies, but that in itself is not enough to indicate murder. I truely think it's reaching a bit too far.
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    I'm certainly no fan of Clinton, but this is a conspiracy theory.
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    yes

    I hope Clintons die while suffering great pains this people had been killed by Klintons

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    some more crimes

    more crimes by Clintons

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    Oh pleeeeeease!

    9-11 The twin towers @ the World Trade Center blown up on Bush's watch... Bill Clinton's fault.

    Invading Iraq on Bush's "knowingly false" information... Hillary Clinton's fault.

    Vince Foster's suicide............. Why not... Bill, Hillary and Chelsea's fault.

    Couldn't find my shoes this morning... Oh, I've got it! Must be Socks the Clinton's cat's fault!!!!!!!!

    God I hope Buddy the Clinton's dog ain't out robbing a bank somewhere today!
    STOP IT! It's ridiculous!
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    Wasn't this while you guys were so busy butchering your fellow countrymen?
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    Clinton's crimes...

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    this is....

    Clinton's war crimes...

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    Oh, there are indeed facts:

    The Looting of Foster's office

    "While the U.S. Park Police (a unit not equipped for a proper homicide investigation) studied the body, Foster's office at the White House was being looted. Secret Service agent Henry O' Neill watched as Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, carried boxes of papers out of Vincent Foster's office before the Park Police showed up to seal it. Amazing when you consider that the official identification of Vincent Foster's body by Craig Livingstone did not take place until 10PM! Speaking of Craig Livingstone, another Secret Serviceman saw him remove items from Vincent Foster's office in violation of the official seal. Witnesses also saw Bernard Nussbaum in Foster's office as well. Three witnesses noted that Patsy Thomason, director of the White House's Office of Administration, was desperate to find the combination to Vincent Foster's safe. Ms. Thomason finally opened the safe, apparently with the help of a special "MIG" technical team signed into the White House in the late hours. Two envelopes reported to be in the safe by Foster's secretary Deborah Gorham, addressed to Janet Reno and to William Kennedy III, were never seen again. When asked the next day regarding rumors of the safe opening, Mack McLarty told reporters Foster's office did not even have a safe, a claim immediately shot down by former occupants of that office.

    The next day, when the Park Police arrived for the official search of Vincent Foster's office, they were shocked to learn that Nussbaum, Thomason and Williams had entered the office. Conflicts channeled through Janet Reno's Department of Justice resulted in the Park Police merely sitting outside Foster's office while Bernard Nussbaum continued his own search of Foster's office. During this search, he opened and upended Vincent Foster's briefcase, showing it to be empty. Three days later, it would be claimed that this same briefcase was where the torn up suicide note was discovered.

    The boxes of documents removed from Foster's office by Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, was taken to the private residence area of the White House! Eventually, only 54 pages emerged.

    One set of billing records, under subpoena for two years, and thought to have originated in Foster's office, turned up unexpectedly in the private quarters of the White House, with Hillary's fingerprints on them!

    So, who ordered the office looting?

    Bill Clinton was unavailable, being on camera with Larry King. But Hillary Clinton, who had only the day before diverted her planned return to Washington D.C. to Little Rock, was on the phone from Little Rock to someone at the White House in the moments before the looting took place.
    The initial reactions
    Back in Little Rock, Foster's friends weren't buying it. Doug Buford, friend and attorney, stated, "...something was badly askew." Foster's brother-in-law, a former congressman, also did not accept that depression was what had been behind the "suicide": "That's a bunch of crap." And Webster Hubbell, former Clinton deputy attorney general, phoned a mutual friend to say, "Don't believe a word you hear. It was not suicide. It couldn't have been."

    Outside experts not connected the official investigation also had their doubts.

    Vincent J. Scalise, a former NYC detective, Fred Santucci, a former forensic photographer for NYC, and Richard Saferstein, former head of the New Jersey State Crime Lab formed a team and did an investigation of the VWF case for the Western Journalism Center of Fair Oaks, Calif. They arrived at several conclusions:

    (1) Homicide cannot and should not be ruled out.

    (2) The position of the arms and legs of the corpse were drastically inconsistent with suicide.

    (3) Neither of VWF's hand was on the handgrip when it was fired. This is also inconsistent with suicide. The investigators noted that in their 50 years of combined experience they had "never seen a weapon or gun positioned in a suicide's hand in such an orderly fashion."

    (4) VWF's body was probably in contact with one or more carpets prior to his death. The team was amazed that the carpet in the trunk of VF's care had not been studied to see whether he had been carried to the park in the trunk of his own car.

    (5) The force of the gun's discharge probably knocked VF's glasses flying; however, it is "inconceivable" that they could have traveled 13 feet through foliage to the site where they were found; ergo, the scene probably was tampered with.

    (6) The lack of blood and brain tissue at the site suggests VF was carried to the scene. The peculiar tracking pattern of the blood on his right cheek also suggests that he was moved.

    Despite numerous official assurances that Vincent Foster really did commit suicide, more and more Americans, over 70% at the last count, no longer believe the official story. TV specials, most notably the one put out by A&E's "Inside Investigations" with Bill Kurtis, have failed to answer the lingering questions, indeed have engaged in deliberate fraud to try to dismiss the evidence that points to a cover-up."
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    No, it is not. You need to open your eyes.

    There were plenty of people who claimed Foster was not depressed and was not suicidal. Even Hillary said she noticed nothing different about his personality.

    All of the independent investigators stated Foster's death was a suicide, but there are problems with all of their stories. Look, you really need to read the information on the link I provided:

    "The Fiske Report.

    Robert Fiske was the first Independent Council appointed to investigate the Whitewater scandal. For a variety of reasons, including his past association with BCCI (a failed bank involved with the laundering of drug money), Fiske was considered by many unsuitable to investigate the various failed S&L in the Whitewater affair (many of which also appear to have been involved with the laundering of drug money) and Fiske was eventually replaced by Kenneth Starr.

    The Preliminary Report On Vincent Foster by Robert Fiske. (see my first link for this link)

    Note that Fiske's report was only preliminary. His final report on Vincent Foster remains sealed. When the Wall Street Journal filed a Freedom Of Information Act request to force the release of Fiske's final report, the court, in an unprecedented prior restraint, ordered the Wall Street Journal not to report on the case, or to even mention what the final ruling actually was.

    This illegal prior restraint is one of the indicators, which reveals how terrified the government is of the facts behind the death of Vincent Foster."

    Simple questions - how do you explain the analysis done by the handwriting experts with over 70 years of experience and impeccable credentials on the suicide note that conflicts with the analysis done by law enforcement? You don't think Clinton firing FBI director Sessions one day before Foster's death was the least bit suspicious?
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    Oh please? You refuse to look at the facts. Most people were never exposed to the investigative reporting of British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.

    A nation in denial

    "British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is one of the most knowledgeable investigators of the Foster cover-up. The Cambridge-educated Evans-Pritchard is less easily dismissed than many Clinton critics. He covered war-torn Central America for the Economist and the Sunday Telegraph. As the Telegraph's Washington bureau chief from 1992 to 1997, he "was known in Washington for accuracy, industry and courage" in the words of Washington Post pundit Robert Novak.

    Evans-Pritchard has commented on the cocoon of denial into which many decent, well-meaning people retreat when their governments go bad. He has seen it in many countries. "You tell the people in San Salvador that their air force is carpet-bombing the campesinos, they say that's impossible," he remarked to New York Times Magazine writer Philip Weiss. Evans-Pritchard saw a similar self-delusion proliferating in Clinton's America."

    Again, look at the facts surrounding the death of another close Clinton associate, Jerry Luther Parks:

    "Ambrose Evans-Pritchard interviewed the Parks family extensively. In "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," he reports that Parks was a nervous wreck for the next two months. He packed a gun and drove evasively to shake off any possible pursuers. At one point, Parks told his family that Bill Clinton was "cleaning house" and that he was "next on the list." Parks had been security chief for Clinton-Gore campaign headquarters in Little Rock, Ark., in 1992.

    On Sept. 23, 1993, as Parks was driving to his suburban Little Rock home along the Chenal Parkway, a white Chevrolet Caprice with two men inside drove alongside and peppered Parks' car with semiautomatic gunfire. Parks's car ground to a halt. A man emerged from the white Chevy, fired two rounds into Parks' chest with a 9-mm pistol, then sped off.

    Several witnesses watched the murder. The killers were never found."

    Odd that a security chief for a Presidential campaign headquarters could be blown away on a city street in broad daylight with no one ever found or much less arrested for the crime.

    Random killing of a security chief for a Presidential campaign headquarters with no motive and no robbery? Yeah, right... Dry that one out and you can fertilize the lawn with it.
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    It can be true and still be a conspiracy theory.

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