We Never Went to the Moon

[Soupnazi630]

The video evidence proves the hoax. There are plausible scenarios that would explain the fact that we didn't read that the Soviets weren't crying fake and that we don't read the words of whistle-blowers. The fact that we don't read about the Soviets or whistle-blowers doesn't make the video evidence go away.

There is circumstantial evidence of a hoax too such as the behavior of the astronauts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCTU1eLTYWM

There's the fact that Jay Windley is a liar.
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1009&page=26#29354
http://www.geologyrocks.co.uk/forum/q_and_a/a_strange_scenario_re_sifted_sand

This is who Jay Windley is.
http://www.clavius.org/about.html

Look at the way Jay Windley lamely avoided answering this direct question put to him.
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/ind...ories&action=display&thread=1584&page=1#48055
(reply #3)

The above isn't proof of a hoax in and of itself but it's circumstantial evidence of a hoax.

The only solid thing we have is the video evidence as circumstantial evidence can be found to support both sides. I've never seen the video and photo evidence debunked. There have been a few mistakes made by hoax believers and they have been pointed out but evidence such as the flag waving when nobody touches it pretty much closes the whole case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41BF9062EF97A674&search_query=moonfaker+the+flags+are+alive

There is no video evidence that proves or even remotely suggests that the landings were faked and that includes all of your above videos.

You have in fact seen all of these claims crushingly debunked in other forums which is why you stopped posting on them.

No one has buried any evidence as you claim they instead addressed the claim and proved it false debunking your entire premise in the process. You on the other hand will not even answer simple logical questions such as how so many people will keep a secret when it is known two people cannot keep one. Or why the Soviets would not have blown the whistle when it is fact they would have known and been able to prove that the landings were fake.

Posting someone else video which has nothing to do with the question is your only response and is not a response at all.

The astronauts behaved in no way to suggest a cover up and myth busters has never been debunked the claims it was debunked are massive failure.

 

[Scott]

There is no video evidence that proves or even remotely suggests that the landings were faked and that includes all of your above videos.

Are you kidding? There's a ton of it. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.******************/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

You have in fact seen all of these claims crushingly debunked in other forums which is why you stopped posting on them.

I stopped talking to Betamax on the above thread because he obviously doesn't even believe his own arguments. He said the Chinese spacewalk was real. People can read about it here.
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4105095

Once the opposition has been discredited, what's the point of continuing?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Are you kidding? There's a ton of it. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.******************/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html


I stopped talking to Betamax on the above thread because he obviously doesn't even believe his own arguments. He said the Chinese spacewalk was real. People can read about it here.
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4105095

Once the opposition has been discredited, what's the point of continuing?

You are quite dishonest as it is you who has been discredited. You did not stop talking to him you ran from that forum because you were surgically and massively taken apart and proven wrong.

You have never posted even a speck of evidence suggesting the lunar landings were faked. What you do instead is what ou did in your previous post and provide a link to another forum where your arguments have been proven false and you have lost.

A link to another forum is not evidence and you have none whatsoever.

The chinese spacewalk was quite real as well you have never offered any evidence otherwise and your claim that a bubble is visible has also been debunked and trashed.


Nice attempt at saving face but you failed

 

[Scott]

A link to another forum is not evidence and you have none whatsoever.

What if I were to post all of it here? Would it be evidence then?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-24.html#post1059735409

I once got a warning on this forum not to post lots of links in the same post and the info got deleted. That's the main reason I didn't post the actual info here.

People can look at it and decide for themselves. I doubt you're swaying very many as you also said the Chinese spacewalk was real.

 

[Soupnazi630]

What if I were to post all of it here? Would it be evidence then?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-24.html#post1059735409

I once got a warning on this forum not to post lots of links in the same post and the info got deleted. That's the main reason I didn't post the actual info here.

People can look at it and decide for themselves. I doubt you're swaying very many as you also said the Chinese spacewalk was real.

Everyone knows the Chinese space walk was real and i am attempting to away no one. I am speaking directly to you and pointing out facts which ruin your assertion.

You posted no facts or information else where. Political cartoons and links to other forums are not fats or information. All of your posts are devoid of those two things.

 

[Scott]

You posted no facts or information else where. Political cartoons and links to other forums are not fats or information. All of your posts are devoid of those two things.

Do you mean that you really don't see any facts in these two links?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-24.html#post1059735409
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4105095

 

[Soupnazi630]

Do you mean that you really don't see any facts in these two links?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-24.html#post1059735409
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4105095

Stop obfuscating.

Those links lead to repeats of your assertion not to facts.

There are no facts to see.

Asserting something over and over does not make it a fact.

Every claim you have made has been debunked WITH FACTS which is when you move on

 

[Scott]

Every claim you have made has been debunked WITH FACTS which is when you move on

People can read the threads and decide for themselves whose interpretations reflect reality.
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4106260

You pro-Apollo people maintain the attitude that you're winning the whole time you're losing. No matter how lame you arguments are, you have the attitude that you're on top of things. This may sway a few viewers who don't take the time to look at the hoax evidence and read both analyses of it but it won't sway anyone who actually looks at the evidence. I'd say your success rate is close to zero with the people who actually look at the evidence.

I think most people decide for themselves and don't pay much attention to what the posters say anyway. I'm not an expecially good debater but the evidence is so clear that it speaks for itself. Once people have seen it, you pro-Apollo posters have lost.

The victory that you claim is about as valid as is that of the Black Knight in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RZ-hYPAMFQ
(do a YouTube search on "Holy Grail Black Knight")

 

[Soupnazi630]

People can read the threads and decide for themselves whose interpretations reflect reality.
http://www.******************/moon-...missions-were-faked-studio-5.html#post4106260

You pro-Apollo people maintain the attitude that you're winning the whole time you're losing. No matter how lame you arguments are, you have the attitude that you're on top of things. This may sway a few viewers who don't take the time to look at the hoax evidence and read both analyses of it but it won't sway anyone who actually looks at the evidence. I'd say your success rate is close to zero with the people who actually look at the evidence.

I think most people decide for themselves and don't pay much attention to what the posters say anyway. I'm not an expecially good debater but the evidence is so clear that it speaks for itself. Once people have seen it, you pro-Apollo posters have lost.

The victory that you claim is about as valid as is that of the Black Knight in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RZ-hYPAMFQ
(do a YouTube search on "Holy Grail Black Knight")

No kidding, people can decide for themselves.

This is not about swaying other people especially since most people KNOW that the Lunar landings were real.

This is about your beyond silly claims and complete lack of any evidence. The only one who has been trying to hide the evidence is you. Every time you post a link it is in fact a link to the exact same arguments you have made elsewhere and you hope that no one will read on enough to see how you have been taken to pieces and your arguments debunked.

Not by opinion or propaganda but by facts and science which you never address.

It is not maintenance of attitude but irrefutable fact that the argument has been one because you have nothing whatsoever.

The success rate is zero only with you as an individual because you childishly cling to a delusion.

With others it is 100% success because everyone see's through you.

 

[Scott]

I tried to debate with Jay Windley over at the JREF. Jay Windley is the webmaster of the Clavius website.
http://www.clavius.org/about.html

I asked Jay to address this issue.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

Here's his response.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

By making that post he pretty much showed that he knows the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-belivers do and that he doesn't even believe his own arguments.

He simply refuses to answer other questions that I ask him.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=216531&page=204

There's a mountain of proof that the moon missions were faked.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

 

[Scott]

Look at this.

Start watching this at the 16:40 time mark.

"Physics of the Moon Flag"

Watch as the swinging gets narrow before it stops.

It looks a little faster than the Apollo flag which could be explained by the slow-motion at which the Apollo footage is shown (sixty seven percent according to Jarrah White).

(2:37 time mark)

The Apollo flag is moving much faster than the speed at which the video shows it should be moving at the 18:50 time mark.

 

[steveox]

Well Russia is planning to send an rover to the moon. Same we sent our rover to mars. The Rover will find out the truth whatever we went to the moon or not.

 

[Scott]

Here's something else.
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

 

[steveox]

Well We will find out what photos Russia brings to the world whatever we lied or not.

 

[paf_2]

Seriously, why to people have such a hard time believing that the moon landing really happened. Also, what is the big deal if it didn't. We did go to space, we have since been up in Shuttles several times. So, I am trying to figure out why in the world this is such a big issue. Because we beat the Russians there, yeah well it was the space race, besides even if it isn't true technology wise we still beat them. Also to the ones who say there isn't a moon, answer me one question what is that large glowing thing that appears in the sky at nights and in the early mornings. I know that isn't an optical illusion. No, I believe the landing occured, no one will convince me otherwise, and obvioiusly those who believe its a hoax won't budge in their belief either, so be it. I sitll don't know why its such a big deal after all this time.