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When will the "BUSH LIED!!!" crowd start complaining about Nancy Pelosi's fibs?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Little-Acorn, May 8, 2009.

  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    There is a lot more evidence that Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding she now claims to have never heard of, than there ever was evidence that George W. Bush "lied" about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction. Yet for some reason, the people who screamed the loudest their false allegations of Bush "lying", are now curiously silent about Pelosi's clear act.

    When can we expect them to resume their self-appointed duty of exposing politicians who actually did lie?

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html

    Hill Briefed on waterboarding in 2002

    In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say

    By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, December 9, 2007; Page A01

    In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

    Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

    "The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

    Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

    With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).

    Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."


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  2. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    WRONG!!!!

    The only evidence would be "minutes" from the meeting where whoever was (supposedly) briefed....and, no one knows that, better, than the folks at BUSHCO.

    Whattaya wanna bet we'll never know....due to National Security issues.

    Nobody's gonna win this argument...at least, not in public. Even then....who's gonna believe the outcome.....mostly due to a steady-diet of lies, over the past-eight-years.

    You should probably go back to your soap operas.....​
     
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    Having never been a 'fan' of our current speaker of the house; I can only assume that she's been able to fritter through life as much as she's done through her political career...suffering *CRS and a great ability to have 'Selective Memory'. But in all fairness and things being equal...don't they all suffer from some form of *CRS and Selective Memory.

    But the huge caveat here is Nancy Pelosi hasn't written the death sentence for 4,000 plus/hundred of thousands maimed/wounded military men and women, nor has she been the sole ramrod that started that fiasco.

    So in order to answer the topic's question...one hardly compares to the other when the gravity of events is weighed against the loss of human life! It is what it is...not the same thing to me...no, not at all!

    *CRS - Can't Remember SHI*
     
  5. foggedinn

    foggedinn New Member

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    This question is too easy.

    The Bush lied crowd will start complaining about Pelosi's fib's at the same time the Pelosi lied crowd start compaining about Bush's fibs.
     
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    This whole "issue" is merely one more distraction from the Primary Issues; when is Dick Cheny gonna admit that he approved/initiated torture, before this meeting ever happened, and....why does he keep insisting there was actional-intelligence derived, from torture??

    The ultimate-IRONY is....torture was approved by a bunch o' damned CHICKENHAWKS.....people who've spent their entire-LIVES hiding-in-the-shadows from any & ALL situations that required BALLS!!!!

     
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    Congress, when briefed on the matter, could have ended the program if they wanted to. The fact was they saw no problem with it until it became a political issue.

    Further, it is not just Cheney making the claim that good intelligence came from these actions, it is multiple CIA chiefs, as well as the Obama DNI director. Even Obama basically admitted it when he attempted to argue that "maybe we could have gotten the same intelligence by other means." We can argue "maybe" this and that all day, but it will not change reality.

    By the way, since you apparently have to have served in the military to be a politician please point out to me what branch Obama served in? Can't think of one? Maybe you can tell me which one Clinton served in?
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    oooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....whatta dandy spin-job.

    :rolleyes:

    You don't see the irony of CHICKENHAWKS being so quick to jump-to-War....while "experienced"-politicians prefer War being used as the LAST option??!!!

    You John-Wayne-fans are toooooooooooooo laughable....besides finding other CHICKENHAWKS less-expendable.

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    What branch of the military has President Obama served in again? Guess since we are sending more troops to Afghanistan and Predator strikes in Pakistan he is a "chickenhawk."

    I suppose we could have passed another 17 UN Security Council Resolutions and sent angry letters. Maybe the 30th "strongly worded" resolution would have done the trick. Face it man, the Iraq War was approved with vast bipartisan support and regime change in Iraq was first articled in the Clinton National Security Strategy. You want to blame Bush for everything, but the Iraq War was a decade in coming, crossing over between both parties.

    When exactly does the "last resort" line get crossed in your world?​
     
  10. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    There's your answer.

    It isn't the role of the Democrats to complain about Democrat fibs. Their role is to complain about Republican fibs, and to make up fibs if they can't find any. The job of complaining about Democrat fibs, and to make some up if they can't find any, falls to the Republicans.

    That's what partisan politics is all about: Do anything and everything to make the other party look even worse than they have been able to make your party look.
     
  11. ASPCA4EVER

    ASPCA4EVER New Member

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    Great point...the counter balance to all things!!!

    And as a registered INDEPENDENT...we stand directly in the middle and see both sides and how screwed up they both really are...LOL
     
  12. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't always work that way.

    Republicans have bashed their own too if they have been found to do things they should not have, where democrats usually come to the defense of their own when they do something they should not. The Gov. of Illinois is about the only exception I know of.



    Republicans and democrats alike were openly disgusted in Larry Craig and Mark Foley but democrats never minded that Barney Frank ran a homosexual prostitution ring out of his apartment, and its just homophobic if I even bring it up they would tell me.

    The difference is Larry Craig and Mark Foley are gone, kicked out by their own party... Barney Frank on the other hand is protected by his own party and they will attack you if you even mention his homosexual brothel.

    I think what the thread starter meant was when are the democrats are going to be consistent. If you are going to bash someone for something then bash everyone for it, not just those in another party.
     
  13. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Congress' duty, in fact, was to exercise "oversight" on the proceedings and policies of our armed forces at war.

    Assuming Pelosi did her duty, the obvious conclusion is that she approved of the waterboarding she heard about (in detail) in the briefings, and so registered no objections.
     
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    do you admit Bush lied?
     
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    I wonder how one becomes a registered independent.:confused:
     
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