White House (Medicare proposal isn't to save money!) Well duh.

[Andy]

You know... I always think back to all the complete idiots who suggested that Bush was a fool without really have a reason to come to that conclusion, yet pride myself on not being like them at all.

This is plain stupid.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/25/news/economy/cbo_medicare/?postversion=2009072522

The White House has criticized the Congressional Budget Office's findings that the Obama administration's proposal to control Medicare costs would yield a moderate savings of $2 billion over the next decade.

CBO? Right, so the congress, which is totally under democrap control, has determined that Obama's planned reform of Medicare would save $2 Billion over a 10 year time span.

How much are Medicares unfunded liabilities? Oh... about $60 Trillion dollars.

But the white house fires back saying:

"The point of the proposal ... was never to generate savings over the next decade," Orszag said in a letter posted on Saturday.

WELL WONDERFUL! So the entire point of changing Medicare isn't to save any money anyway. We're only $11.4 Trillion in debt, have a $1.4 Trillion dollar deficit, have a tanking economy, have a unemployment rate above 9.4%, printing money left and right because no one will lend our government money.... why on earth would we want to save money now?!?

If Bush was stupid, then we clearly have voted in his personal trainer!

But it doesn't end there!

The Obama administration is touting a proposal to give a medical advisory council the power to help decide the scope of coverage that would be eligible for reimbursement under Medicare.

So let's get this right... Even BEFORE passing universal health care, Obama is already planning to cut medicare services! We don't even have Medicare for everyone, and he's already trying to empower the government to deny health care to patients! This is GREAT! SIGN ME UP!

What part of this is good?

 

[top gun]

You know... I always think back to all the complete idiots who suggested that Bush was a fool without really have a reason to come to that conclusion...

Oh I don't know?

What part of this is good?

Doctors organizations, nurses organizations, AARP just about every single medical related group is for it... but what do they know?

 

[Andy]

Doctors organizations, nurses organizations, AARP just about every single medical related group is for it... but what do they know?

You know, I don't go to a real estate agent, for advice on a personal lawsuit. I don't go to lawyer, to get advice on back pain. And I most certainly do not go to a doctor for advice on economics and government policy.

I really couldn't possibly care less about what some doctor or AARP says about socialism. I wouldn't need their advice if even did care. I can see with evidence, documentation, and history, that socialized medicine does not work. I can look around the globe and see that it doesn't work. I can even look at socialized care inside the United States, and see very clearly the system DOES NOT WORK.

Do you understand "does not work"? Let me spell it out a bit more clearly. Medicare by the testimony of it's own trustees, has roughly $60 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. Do you what "unfunded liabilities" are?

It's actually hilarious, just in being sarcastic, I did search for "unfunded liabilities" to get a definition, and humorously two of the first five articles that came up were Social Security and Medicare....

The actuarial calculation of the value of future benefits payable (eg. to members of a defined benefit superannuation fund) less the net assets of the fund at a given balance date.

We have $60 Trillion in unfunded liabilities for Medicare ALONE....
Do understand that at our governments present rate of revenue, which is $2.333 Trillion, that it would take 26 years for us to collect enough money in taxes, to cover just Medicare, and that's assuming we spend nothing on social security, or the rest of the budget?

And what is your solution? Oh... doctors support more government expenses? That's your answer? That's your brilliant conclusion? AARP says socialism is a go, so we can just ignore the fact we're bankrupt?

You sound like a dumb ass used car salesmen. "Hey! Just cause your broke, doesn't mean we can't work out a payment plan on this $50K car here!"

Uh... hello Mcfly! We're broke! No money! Government is printing cash right now cause they can't even sell T-bills, we're so in debt! China says they don't want USDollars anymore, India isn't buying anymore T-bills, the Canadian dollar is above the US dollar? Hello? Take a hint? Get a clue? Pull your head out of your politics and visit reality for a bit?

 

[top gun]

You know, I don't go to a real estate agent, for advice on a personal lawsuit. I don't go to lawyer, to get advice on back pain. And I most certainly do not go to a doctor for advice on economics and government policy...

But when your car is broken you also don't go to the salesman or the finance department you go to the mechanic that actually "works" on cars (the doctors & nurses). And when you want to build a car you want to know what people want & need (AARP).

Do you understand "does not work"?

What we currently have in private insurance isn't "working" either. So we're trying to better the whole system for everyone. Wait until the actual Bill and it's costs are put out to be voted on. You have no clue exactly what it will contain right now.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Andy said: You know... I always think back to all the complete idiots who suggested that Bush was a fool without really have a reason to come to that conclusion, yet pride myself on not being like them at all.

And here I was thinking that you were rather intelligent/focused and thoughtful...WTH was I thinking
And yet millions of Americans heaved a huge sigh of relief when his {G.W.B.'s} gigantic SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM bit the dust...remember??? that wonderful/insightful/well thought out campaign plan that dear Georgie was going to do to all of us OMG...what a disaster that would have been given the way in which our economy was crumbling under his watchful gaze

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You know... I always think back to all the complete idiots who suggested that Bush was a fool without really have a reason to come to that conclusion, yet pride myself on not being like them at all.

Yeah.....he could have become a History-teacher.

"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America."—Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003

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This is plain stupid.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/25/news/economy/cbo_medicare/?postversion=2009072522

The White House has criticized the Congressional Budget Office's findings that the Obama administration's proposal to control Medicare costs would yield a moderate savings of $2 billion over the next decade.

CBO? Right, so the congress, which is totally under democrap control, has determined that Obama's planned reform of Medicare would save $2 Billion over a 10 year time span.

How much are Medicares unfunded liabilities? Oh... about $60 Trillion dollars.

But the white house fires back saying:

"The point of the proposal ... was never to generate savings over the next decade," Orszag said in a letter posted on Saturday.

Ya' gotta brush-up on your cherry-picking "skills".

What you'd forgotten to post, was:​

"CBO Director Doug Elmendorf's letter to Hoyer on Saturday was in response to the Senate Majority Leader's request for analysis on "possible approaches for giving the President broad authority to make changes in the Medicare program," Elmendorf wrote.

Administration officials say the proposed "Independent Medicare Advisory Council" would both improve health care quality and control costs. Some health care industry groups object to the proposal, saying such a council would not be qualified to make those judgments.

The CBO's review of the proposal found that "the probability is high that no savings would be realized ... but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized," Elmendorf wrote.

Orszag, a former director of the CBO, pointed out that "it is very rare for CBO to conclude that a specific legislative proposal would generate significant long-term savings so it is noteworthy that, with some modifications, CBO reached such a conclusion with regard to the IMAC (Independent Medicare Advisory Council) concept."

But he also criticized Elmendorf's findings.

"As a former CBO director, I can attest that CBO is sometimes accused of a bias toward exaggerating costs and underestimating savings. Unfortunately, parts of today's analysis from CBO could feed that perception," Orszag said. "In providing a quantitative estimate of long-term effects without any analytical basis for doing so, CBO seems to have overstepped."

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, Lil' Andy....ya' gotta consider giving-up on "cherry-picking".....and, get your butt back to income you understand; aluminum-collection....

(BTW.....reeeaaallly nice shade of lavender, there....

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[BigRob]

And here I was thinking that you were rather intelligent/focused and thoughtful...WTH was I thinking
And yet millions of Americans heaved a huge sigh of relief when his {G.W.B.'s} gigantic SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM bit the dust...remember??? that wonderful/insightful/well thought out campaign plan that dear Georgie was going to do to all of us OMG...what a disaster that would have been given the way in which our economy was crumbling under his watchful gaze

Current returns (yes in this down economy) on a simple FDIC insured savings account continue to beat the return you get on your government run social security.

Your argument is like saying, "I could have made 3% FDIC insured, but instead I will take 1%." Then you tell the person who wanted 3% they are an idiot.

 

[KingClovis]

Andy, Bush was a hero, in hindsight. He never did anything to deliberately hurt America. That's all Obama has done, every step of the way.

 

[Andy]

But when your car is broken you also don't go to the salesman or the finance department you go to the mechanic that actually "works" on cars (the doctors & nurses). And when you want to build a car you want to know what people want & need (AARP).

And your solution is a government bureaucrat? AARP might be good at saying "doctors need X", but they are not good at deterimining the long term effects of bad legislation controlling the health care industry.

It's funny because the Canadian Medical Assocation is horribly against the US having government controlled care because then they won't have any place to send patients for help when their system can't help, which is constantly.

What we currently have in private insurance isn't "working" either. So we're trying to better the whole system for everyone. Wait until the actual Bill and it's costs are put out to be voted on. You have no clue exactly what it will contain right now.

It doesn't matter. Have you read about Medicare's history? It was never supposed to cost $60 Trillion. Yet they plan to cut benefits even as we speak.

Have you read Social Securities history? It was never supposed to cost more than 1% of a persons wages. Now it costs 14% and they have cut benefits every year.

The same can be repeated throughout all government programs since the dawn of time. It always costs way more than is planned, and always under-delivers on it's promises. You can look at the post office, the Housing and Urban development department, the FBI, the CIA, and especially the military. The only difference is, we need a military.

Time and time again, the programs cost tons more, and result in far less. So why should I wait to see what the cost estimates are? They are always underestimated. Why should I wait to see what benefits the plans have? They are always overestimated.

It's amazing that on this very forum we document government lies every week, in the millions, yet here you want to wait and see what they say? Why? Its never true!

 

[Andy]

And here I was thinking that you were rather intelligent/focused and thoughtful...WTH was I thinking
And yet millions of Americans heaved a huge sigh of relief when his {G.W.B.'s} gigantic SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM bit the dust...remember??? that wonderful/insightful/well thought out campaign plan that dear Georgie was going to do to all of us OMG...what a disaster that would have been given the way in which our economy was crumbling under his watchful gaze

So in your world, it was better for people to not have control over their own money?

In your world, not having a reform of a system that's going bankrupt, is a plus?

Liberal idiots are amazing. Your ship is sinking, everyone going to drown, and you are throwing a party. "Yay we're all stupid! Yay!"

Liberal "I'll just bury my head in my ____ and pretend everything is great!"

 

[Pandora]

You know... I always think back to all the complete idiots who suggested that Bush was a fool without really have a reason to come to that conclusion, yet pride myself on not being like them at all.

This is plain stupid.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/25/news/economy/cbo_medicare/?postversion=2009072522


CBO? Right, so the congress, which is totally under democrap control, has determined that Obama's planned reform of Medicare would save $2 Billion over a 10 year time span.

How much are Medicares unfunded liabilities? Oh... about $60 Trillion dollars.

But the white house fires back saying:


WELL WONDERFUL! So the entire point of changing Medicare isn't to save any money anyway. We're only $11.4 Trillion in debt, have a $1.4 Trillion dollar deficit, have a tanking economy, have a unemployment rate above 9.4%, printing money left and right because no one will lend our government money.... why on earth would we want to save money now?!?

If Bush was stupid, then we clearly have voted in his personal trainer!

But it doesn't end there!


So let's get this right... Even BEFORE passing universal health care, Obama is already planning to cut medicare services! We don't even have Medicare for everyone, and he's already trying to empower the government to deny health care to patients! This is GREAT! SIGN ME UP!

What part of this is good?

I do not think it was ever about saving money.

It's all about expanding government and controlling the people at any cost.


Thanks for the link Andy, you alway's give us good topics to ponder.

 

[Andy]

I do not think it was ever about saving money.

It's all about expanding government and controlling the people at any cost.


Thanks for the link Andy, you alway's give us good topics to ponder.

Well of course it wasn't about saving money. Nothing Obama has done has really been about saving money.

But once again the absolute hypocrisy and bigotry of the left is shining through... See... the legislation in question was billed as "saving medicare money".

So they did claim this would save money. Of course it's not going to save anything, but that's what they said... be we all know they completely lied....

OF course the left is happy happy joy joy over Obama lying and bankrupting the entire country! yay yay.... this is so going to crash at some point.

 

[Pandora]

Well of course it wasn't about saving money. Nothing Obama has done has really been about saving money.

But once again the absolute hypocrisy and bigotry of the left is shining through... See... the legislation in question was billed as "saving medicare money".

So they did claim this would save money. Of course it's not going to save anything, but that's what they said... be we all know they completely lied....

OF course the left is happy happy joy joy over Obama lying and bankrupting the entire country! yay yay.... this is so going to crash at some point.

Hopefully it will all back fire in his face before its too far gone. All the stim money is not spent yet. If this whole thing could backfire before he spends it, things could get better.

If this medical thing falls through *pray* *cross fingers* then that will be good and hopefully cap and tax will fall also.

Keep talking Andy, some are listening.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

Andy provided this:

Liberal "I'll just bury my head in my ____ and pretend everything is great!"

WOW...where ever did you find that picture...
see 'BIB' A BUTT BUDDY PICTURE...just as I told you...and here you were with your mind in the gutter...telling us all about your sexual exploits...JEEZ LOUISE...keep your mind out of that gutter!!!

 

[Pandora]

WOW...where ever did you find that picture...
see 'BIB' A BUTT BUDDY PICTURE...just as I told you...and here you were with your mind in the gutter...telling us all about your sexual exploits...JEEZ LOUISE...keep your mind out of that gutter!!!

Yes, just like you told me a number of times now, just like you posted on my page.

more wonderful insults

oh joy...