Who's with bush for WW3 now?

[berreal]

Talk about begging the question ...infusing a self fullfilling phropesy. Just like the impending NUKULEER explosions on the steets of America from Saddam ...here we go again with WW III on the horizon.

Ofcourse ...despite the US being consistently pro- Israel ...this administration has shown a level of bias exceeding even prior republican administrations. Let Israel do what they will, let them violate the dumb-ass UN resolutions at will ...and while we do that lets try to not only hold the rest of the region to comply ....but in addition force the UN to make-up more crap to place Iran and who we don't like in a bind!!

And while we are doing this ...lets keep saying we want peace.

Lets keep sowing those seeds of hopleess-ness in the muslim society as our efforts destroy people's lives. And when they become suicidal and decide ..what the heck ..why not take a few westerners with us!

When they act ..like they did on 911 ...lets wait to hear Americans once again running in the streets like chicken with their heads cut off ...asking ....why...why ...why would anybody want to do this??

 

[Popeye]

Talk about begging the question ...infusing a self fullfilling phropesy. Just like the impending NUKULEER explosions on the steets of America from Saddam ...here we go again with WW III on the horizon.

Ofcourse ...despite the US being consistently pro- Israel ...this administration has shown a level of bias exceeding even prior republican administrations. Let Israel do what they will, let them violate the dumb-ass UN resolutions at will ...and while we do that lets try to not only hold the rest of the region to comply ....but in addition force the UN to make-up more crap to place Iran and who we don't like in a bind!!

And while we are doing this ...lets keep saying we want peace.

Lets keep sowing those seeds of hopleess-ness in the muslim society as our efforts destroy people's lives. And when they become suicidal and decide ..what the heck ..why not take a few westerners with us!

When they act ..like they did on 911 ...lets wait to hear Americans once again running in the streets like chicken with their heads cut off ...asking ....why...why ...why would anybody want to do this??

Look at all these UN resolutions passed against Israell( sorry, not completely up to date), then look at all the US vetoes. Is it any wonder that, outside of Israel, we are hated in the area. Our Mideast foreign policy is, and has been, so one sided it has helped foster groups such as Al Qaeda.

http://www.muslimedia.com/ARCHIVES/special-edition/terrorism50/unresolu.htm​

 

[9sublime]

Talk about begging the question ...infusing a self fullfilling phropesy. Just like the impending NUKULEER explosions on the steets of America from Saddam ...here we go again with WW III on the horizon.

HAHAHA. Did you take a fear mongering further degree or something?

 

[vyo476]

HAHAHA. Did you take a fear mongering further degree or something?

Actually, the WWIII quote came directly from President Bush.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-10-17-bush-wednesday_N.htm?csp=34

Now, sure, nuclear Iran poses all kinds of threats, but WWIII? What is he talking about?

 

[9sublime]

Yeah, it was the WWIII bit I was getting at.

 

[palerider]

Actua

Now, sure, nuclear Iran poses all kinds of threats, but WWIII? What is he talking about?

If iran attacks israel, we will respond and set off a chain of events that will equate to ww3.

 

[9sublime]

Yes, but I don't think Iran would be quiet that stupid as things stand.

 

[palerider]

Yes, but I don't think Iran would be quiet that stupid as things stand.

You don't think so? The president of iran believes it is his destiny to bring about armageddon so that is latest greatest imam can rise forth. What is a little world war to a true believer?

 

[9sublime]

I dont think they quite have the balls to go through with that.

 

[TruthAboveAll]

Yes, but I don't think Iran would be quiet that stupid as things stand.

Really? It may seem stupid to many, but to someone who has come to view themselves as the big dog on the street, with what they determine as support from Russia, as well as some other Mid-East countries, it may not appear at all stupid to Ahmadinejad. Although Putin is walking a tight-wire, trying to balance a lot of issues with the U.S. and Israel, he is also working to secure his own political power and future.

Ahmadinejad is nothing short of a loose canon. Iran is the focal point of growing unease throughout the Mid-East. History has proven their fears are not without cause. Neville Chamberlain nearly handed early victories in Europe to Hitler via the Munich Pact. Just to illustrate the potential tragedy from one power-hungry, destructive despot placated by primarily one appeasement-driven bureaucrat.

There is the total appeasement/capitulation summation that has been historically embraced that led to WWII. Today there is also a theory that Chamberlain was being astute, seeing the writing on the wall and allowing Great Britain time to rearm by delaying. Whatever the true motivation and goal of Chamberlain, the result was inevitable. His actions only assured the destruction that resulted to so much of Europe, and the deaths of millions of people.

Do you truly believe that today's situation is any different? Ahmadinejad with the ability to build and use nuclear weapons at the very least would be a tremendously destabilizing situation in the Mid-East.

Don't forget, it is not just the U.S.'s economy that is driven by petroleum resources. Even if we don't buy our majority from the Mid-East, that disruption would greatly affect world markets. Every country with any form of developing economy would be gravely affected.

Much of the world recognizes what a danger Iran is under control of this man. Using the term "World War III" is not alarmist, but should be an alarm, a wake-up call.

 

[TruthAboveAll]

I dont think they quite have the balls to go through with that.

I don't think that's quite the part of anatomy, or lack thereof, required. I think the required parts are more of a black heart, and lack in the cranial region.

 

[vyo476]

If iran attacks israel, we will respond and set off a chain of events that will equate to ww3.

Hmmm...

On Iran's side, its original post-revolutionary list of demands included:

* That the United States accept the legitimacy of the 1979 revolution,
* Not interfere in Iran's internal affairs,
* Deal with the Iranian regime on the basis of "respect and equality."

As the regime became "more secure domestically" and less isolated internationally other demands were added:

* Lifting U.S. economic sanctions,
* Release of frozen Iranian assets in the United States
* Removal of the U.S. Navy from the Persian Gulf

During the Clinton administration two more demands were included

* An end to one-sided support for Israel
* A formal apology for Washington's past misdeeds

And again, hmm....

Israel has for a very long time been a critical factor in America's formulation of a policy vis-à-vis Iran. But what's really interesting is that the influence of Israel has gone in completely different directions, if we just go back fifteen years. During the 1980s, in spite of the Iranian Revolution, in spite of Ayatollah Khomeini’s many, many harsh remarks about Israel, far, far worse than what anything Ahmadinejad has said so far, Israel at the time was the country that was lobbying the United States to open up talks with Iran to try to rebuild the US-Iran relations, because of strategic imperatives that Israel had. Israel needed Iran, because it was fearing the Arab world and a potential war with the Arabs.

After 1991, ’92, that's when you see the real shift in Israeli-Iranian relations, because that's when the entire geopolitical map of the Middle East is redrawn. The Soviet Union collapses. The last standing army of the Arabs, that of Saddam Hussein, is defeated in the Persian Gulf War. And you have an entirely new security environment in the Middle East, in which the two factors, the Soviets and the Arabs, that had pushed Iran and Israel closer together suddenly evaporate. But as their security environment improves, they also start to realize that they may be ending up in a situation in which they can become potential threats to each other. And that's when you see how the Israelis shift 180 degrees. Now the Israeli argument was that the United States should not talk to Iran, because there is no such thing as Iranian moderates.

And ever since, the Israelis and the pro-Israel interest in the United States have lobbied to make sure that there is no dialogue or there’s no rapprochement between the United States and Iran. And the Iranians have done similar things. They have undermined every US foreign policy initiative in the Middle East that they feared would be beneficial to Israel. So the real shift in Israeli-Iranian relations come after the Cold War, not with the revolution in 1979. - Trita Parsi

Despite some of the lousy things the Iranians have said about Israel, over the years they've maintained surprisingly close ties. Israel even sold weapons to the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War. Iran managed to realize that without that help they could have lost that war, a stunning pragmatic realization for a country you seem to think is so mired outside of reality.

 

[Bunz]

Well firstly, thanks to the good will our fearless leader has shown to the international community, our Allies have turned thier backs on us by and large. The idea that Bush would be able to get together any sort of coalition of allies to agree with him on a military campaign against anyone short of aggressive martians is a joke. Why do I think the next world war will actually be the US against everyone else?

 

[berreal]

If iran attacks israel, we will respond and set off a chain of events that will equate to ww3.

First lets clarify something here ....there is no ..."WE"..here!! The reality is ..somebody else will endanger their life ...just not you!!

RATs never ...never go where danger is ..instead they run away from it!! You bud ...you will be catching this fight on Fox news ...you SOB!!

Despite some of the lousy things the Iranians have said about Israel, over the years they've maintained surprisingly close ties. Israel even sold weapons to the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War. Iran managed to realize that without that help they could have lost that war, a stunning pragmatic realization for a country you seem to think is so mired outside of reality.

Every time AIPAC and the most of our political leaders controlled by them talk about Iran they quickly site Mr. Ahmadinejad's failure to recognize Israel!!

They say this ..and the lap-dogs get in a tizzy about it.
First lets just clarify something here ...Mr.Ahmadinejad has very very limited powers in Iran ..and by himself could never attack anybody! He doesn't control the army ..let alone the highly trained military arm in Iraq!

Mr.Ahmadinejad again ....like Zarqawi ..is being hyped up deliberately by bush to be this all powerfull being!! And the truth is nowhere near this.

Remember Zarqawi? The guy who ran around in Nike shoes ...supposedly to be this great warrior? The guy who was a forminable opponent for our 1,000's of soldiers, $Billions dollor weapons, planes, aircraft carriers?
Remember that guy remember how many thought his death meant something??

Here we go again folks...only this time it's Mr.Ahmadinejad.

So to that end ...Mr.Ahmadinejad's denial of Israel means absolutely nothing ...zipppo ...nanda El-ZERO!!

But who is bush without fear-and-scare? The man gave a half hour speech recently and MSNBC counted his use of Al Queda over 80 times!

Oil is over $90 a barrel, bush keeps exciting animosity between the American people and these oil rich nations ...and the dumb ass SOB's are such lap-dogs they can't make the connection!!


You don't have to know much ...because its sooo clear whats happening? All you have to ask yourself is this.... how come bush came to the white house ..and all these oil nation's who may have some lingering spat ..are about to destroy everything around them or destroy us?

Its that simple!! Saddam sat for over 20 years ...with the UN watching him ..and after 911 with the world shoving a microscope up his butt ..suddenly ...suddenly he's about to NUKE us?

Same thing with Iran? How long has the fued between the Israel and the region been happening ..and suddenly ...suddenly in come bush ... Iran is about to destroy the region?

In fact ...I wonder how long ago did Mr.Ahmadinejad fail to recognize Israel? Or how long ago was it clear that country held animosity towards Israel? Why now ...why now after all these decades do you think they are suddenly ready to take this step?

Pure freaking hype ...perpetuated for political and financial gain! And the sad part ...the cost is paid for in blood!

 

[Bunz]

You bud ...you will be catching this fight on Fox news ...you SOB!!

Once again Berreal, your posts would have signifigant more credibility if you would mature it up and quit with the ignorant name calling.
I actually agree often times with you. But always remember, it is not what you say, as much as how you say it. I just cant bring myself to take you serious when you rant like this.