Will a Major Economic collapse save America?

[BigRob]

Gee....let's see....The Idiot Son issues tax-cuts to the 1%ers....right BEFORE he pulls-the-pin on a WAR....borrows ALL War-financing from Asia (China & Japan)....and, when it comes to paying-OFF all that debt....it's a bad-thing-to-do, huh.....not the adult-thing-to-do, huh???

Yeah.....we need to wait for Republicans to re-take D.C., 'cause they always come-up with the "magic" to cure our economic-ills, right?

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So now, Obama who has apparently cut taxes for 95% of people, and is sitting on the biggest deficit in history is a better manager of our finances?

Obama is not repaying the debt either, he is making it worse. So again, how does this make him any better than Bush?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So now, Obama who has apparently cut taxes for 95% of people, and is sitting on the biggest deficit in history is a better manager of our finances?

I guess we'll have eight-years to find-OUT!!!!​

 

[top gun]

So now, Obama who has apparently cut taxes for 95% of people, and is sitting on the biggest deficit in history is a better manager of our finances?

Obama is not repaying the debt either, he is making it worse. So again, how does this make him any better than Bush?

President Obama is spending (called stimulus) to cushion the blow of The Bush Recession... the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. And he's doing that while cutting taxes on everyone not making a quarter of a million dollars per year or more.

President Obama isn't sanctioning TORTURE and unlike Bush would not of stuck us into this quagmire of trying to occupy and Nation Build the entire country of Iraq costing us 12,000,000,000 (12 BILLION DOLLARS) per month for what 6 years now?

Granted President Obama wants everyone to be able to obtain affordable healthcare... and that will cost something.

But the difference between President Obama being better than Bush... PRICELESS!

 

[BigRob]

President Obama is spending (called stimulus) to cushion the blow of The Bush Recession... the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. And he's doing that while cutting taxes on everyone not making a quarter of a million dollars per year or more.

We are spending (if you call it that because not much of it has been spent) by borrowing. How does that help us?

President Obama isn't sanctioning TORTURE and unlike Bush would not of stuck us into this quagmire of trying to occupy and Nation Build the entire country of Iraq costing us 12,000,000,000 (12 BILLION DOLLARS) per month for what 6 years now?

Bush did not sanction torture either, and Obama is now sanctioning nation building in Afghanistan. Statements made by his Afghanistan team all but admit this.

Granted President Obama wants everyone to be able to obtain affordable healthcare... and that will cost something.

Most people want people to have healthcare, but blowing trillions and not really changing anything is not the manner to do that.

But the difference between President Obama being better than Bush... PRICELESS!

Both of them have huge problems. Obama's problems are the ones that now matter.

 

[always]

President Obama is spending (called stimulus) to cushion the blow of The Bush Recession... the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. And he's doing that while cutting taxes on everyone not making a quarter of a million dollars per year or more.

President Obama isn't sanctioning TORTURE and unlike Bush would not of stuck us into this quagmire of trying to occupy and Nation Build the entire country of Iraq costing us 12,000,000,000 (12 BILLION DOLLARS) per month for what 6 years now?

Granted President Obama wants everyone to be able to obtain affordable healthcare... and that will cost something.

But the difference between President Obama being better than Bush... PRICELESS!

Hey Top Gun , Not only is Obama sanctioning torture , he himself delivers it , everytime he stands next to his lying teleprompter and parrots what it says he TORTURES ALL AMERICANS . you will be one of the minority who will tune in to hear his lies "To the Nation " about his wish to take over your health care . Following is a list of ALL the GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS that are run EFFECTIVELY and HONESTLY :

 

[always]

I guess we'll have eight-years to find-OUT!!!!​

MRS SHAMAN , I bet you watch ole liar when he lies to the nation in his joint (will he be smoking one ?) address to our mostly radical leftist Congress . I can just see you sitting there doing your nails , sucking on a beer , and nodding each time his teleprompter feeds him another "BOLD FACE LIE " . PLUS , breaking news !, Science has found that "radical liberalism" may be caused by the glue in "food stamps " Film at ELEVEN!! lol,lol

 

[Dr.Who]

President Obama is spending (called stimulus) to cushion the blow of The Bush Recession... the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. And he's doing that while cutting taxes on everyone not making a quarter of a million dollars per year or more.

When the summer ends if the recession is still going one might be able to say it has been the longest downturn since the great depression. But anyone who says it before the end of summer is just wrong. And if you measure the downturn by some other measure - which you are doing now when you say "largest" then there have been numerous other recessions that have had worse economic indicators. You have repeated this many times and it is just as wrong each time you say it.

President Obama isn't sanctioning TORTURE and unlike Bush would not of stuck us into this quagmire of trying to occupy and Nation Build the entire country of Iraq costing us 12,000,000,000 (12 BILLION DOLLARS) per month for what 6 years now?

And yet he has not ended the policies (rendition) that would enable torture ( though legally it was not_.

Granted President Obama wants everyone to be able to obtain affordable healthcare... and that will cost something.

Give everyone their tax money back and then they can use it to buy health insurance or to make money to buy insurance. If he really cared about health care he would have just given the 13 million validly uninsured care as part of the stimulus. He did not so this would still be a political issue.

 

[top gun]

When the summer ends if the recession is still going one might be able to say it has been the longest downturn since the great depression. But anyone who says it before the end of summer is just wrong. And if you measure the downturn by some other measure - which you are doing now when you say "largest" then there have been numerous other recessions that have had worse economic indicators. You have repeated this many times and it is just as wrong each time you say it.

I keep repeating it (and I've several times added the concurring statements by top economists and leading financial publications) because it's simply the truth.

You on the other hand wish to down play The Bush Recession that teetered close to becoming The Bush Depression. That's your choice.

And yet he has not ended the policies (rendition) that would enable torture ( though legally it was not_.

The option of rendition in critical circumstance is not the same as BUSH/CHENEY TORTURE. Rendition is simply moving a prisoner to another location... not water suffocating them, also known as... drowning them.

Give everyone their tax money back and then they can use it to buy health insurance or to make money to buy insurance. If he really cared about health care he would have just given the 13 million validly uninsured care as part of the stimulus. He did not so this would still be a political issue.

It doesn't work unless everybody buys in.

That's how an insurance pool works. The sick & older people's have their risk spread out with healthier young adults.

Young adults and anyone that felt they could get by without health insurance would skip it. This is exactly what happened (I remember it well growing up) with car insurance. Waaaay back then until it was mandatory many younger people (and others feeling lucky) just drove without auto insurance to keep more spending money.

All is ducky until you get in a wreck... or in this case... become sick.

 

[asur]

Um, Obama plans on raising taxes just by letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

It's subtle and yet damaging to this joke they call an economy.


So many lost jobs and many more to occur under Obama.
No Back to School sales = Less Jobs = Obama Policy.

Even today his Admin predicts unemployment > 10.3% in 2010.

 

[Dr.Who]

I keep repeating it (and I've several times added the concurring statements by top economists and leading financial publications) because it's simply the truth.

You on the other hand wish to down play The Bush Recession that teetered close to becoming The Bush Depression. That's your choice.

An appeal to authority is still illogical. Furthermore when reading the original sources they did not say exactly what you say. But feel free to start a thread and back up your case. It will be torn to shreds.

Still not the greatest downturn:

http://wallstreetpit.com/9073-econo...shape-still-pales-comparison-great-depression

The option of rendition in critical circumstance is not the same as BUSH/CHENEY TORTURE. Rendition is simply moving a prisoner to another location... not water suffocating them, also known as... drowning them.

He left his option to torture open. He moves prisoners to other locations because that is where the torture people. Bush had his option open too and he did a whole whopping three times with great results.

"Sounds good, but a closer examination reveals that the canker at the heart of the state has not been excised. Obama's people have also indicated that rendition – the forcible transfer of individuals to the custody of third-party states – will continue to be used by the US on terror suspects. Therefore, this new FBI unit could send people to regimes such as Morocco, Egypt and Syria and conduct interrogations on people being detained indefinitely by these old partners in the secret detention game."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/26/obama-rendition-cia-prisons-us

It doesn't work unless everybody buys in.

That's how an insurance pool works. The sick & older people's have their risk spread out with healthier young adults.

Young adults and anyone that felt they could get by without health insurance would skip it. This is exactly what happened (I remember it well growing up) with car insurance. Waaaay back then until it was mandatory many younger people (and others feeling lucky) just drove without auto insurance to keep more spending money.

Every insurance company out there only has the benefit of a limited pool. The pool does not need to include every single citizen only enough so that the pool is large enough to spread the risk. The population of the united states is large enough that there are presently over 3000 insurance companies each with multiple pools. 46 million people not being a part of the pools now hurts no one else.

Only socialist need EVERyONE to join in because they can't afford to let anyone see how much better off those not forced to join are doing.

 

[chestnut]

An interesting point on the insurance. One of the reasons they do not currently sell across state lines is because of the "mandated benefits" You know, the one's that force insurance companies to pay for sex change operations, birth mark removal, gastric bypass, and other idiotic, elective procedures.

So, if people would stop requesting insurance to pay for every "want and desire" instead of using it for true "health care", it would be less of a problem

If mandated benefits were taken away, then insurance can be sold across state lines and immediately, you would see relief on pricing.

Tort Reform has to be next. But since the trial attorneys are one of the largest contributors to the dems, that won't happen.

 

[TheFranklinParty]

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

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We're talking-about a Country that's population is DESPERATE for easy-answers and quick-fixes!!!! How else could you explain the reelection of The Idiot Son in '04???​

I can just imagine the Obama Admin saying....​

Yeah.....we need to put more faith in Americans' historic sense-of-patience.​

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Until you and many others get that neither Bush nor Obama are the cause of most of current challenges we'll just keep having these pissing matches. In reflection, I'm not seeing much leadership by either and the real problem lies in the 535 people down the street from the White House, but while everyone tries to justify their one vote for President we'll end up with another Congress that thinks their smarter than we are.

 

[Dr.Who]

An interesting point on the insurance. One of the reasons they do not currently sell across state lines is because of the "mandated benefits" You know, the one's that force insurance companies to pay for sex change operations, birth mark removal, gastric bypass, and other idiotic, elective procedures.

So, if people would stop requesting insurance to pay for every "want and desire" instead of using it for true "health care", it would be less of a problem

If mandated benefits were taken away, then insurance can be sold across state lines and immediately, you would see relief on pricing.

Tort Reform has to be next. But since the trial attorneys are one of the largest contributors to the dems, that won't happen.

The part of that I understand is sooo true. Insurance should be to insure one against an unexpected and monumental expense. Regular and everyday health care needs should be paid out of pocket - that would reduce the costs of health care more than ANY OTHER solution that has been offered.

I dont understand how mandating an insurance company to pay for sex change surgery makes it not available across state lines. I do know that it not being available across state lines drives up the price and that congress is responsible for that.

 

[dahermit]

The part of that I understand is sooo true. Insurance should be to insure one against an unexpected and monumental expense. Regular and everyday health care needs should be paid out of pocket - that would reduce the costs of health care more than ANY OTHER solution that has been offered.

What part of the poor and working poor have no disposable income do you not understand? "Regular everyday [ongoing conditions], health care needs", are expensive (hundreds of dollars a month in medication)and would have to be paid out of disposable income. X = income. Y = rent. Z = food. X-(Y+Z)=0 Just what isolated dream land do you live in? I was there, I lived it, my parents lived it, my siblings lived it.

 

[Dr.Who]

What part of the poor and working poor have no disposable income do you not understand? "Regular everyday [ongoing conditions], health care needs", are expensive (hundreds of dollars a month in medication)and would have to be paid out of disposable income. X = income. Y = rent. Z = food. X-(Y+Z)=0 Just what isolated dream land do you live in? I was there, I lived it, my parents lived it, my siblings lived it.

I was speaking about all people in general and not just the working poor.

But if you want to make it about the working poor:
According to the US census the working poor have plenty of income to pay exactly what you have described. My facts are based on the census, are yours from dreamland?

Furthermore if people paid for regular and everyday conditions out of pocket the prices would be lower. Paying for things that should not be paid for with insurance with insurance raises the costs - for all.

Now, about the actual poor: They don't pay for their own health care needs so it does not matter how much money they have.

What about those that are in between? Working so they are too rich to be poor but not making enough to pay for regular and everyday health care needs? Well the way "poor" is defined in this country the bar is kind of high so there is not in between. The definition of "poor" includes plenty of people who are doing much better than what any sane person would normally think of when they think of poor.