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"Will Work for America"

Discussion in 'House of Debates' started by Here We Go, May 10, 2008.

  1. Here We Go

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    Crime is rampant because there are no jobs: People cannot have goals if there are none. Bring manufacturing home to the U.S. and get our country back to work.

    Homeland Security: With everything being outsourced to other countries, we cannot keep our shores secure. The more we make here the less we have to deal with all the seaport traffic. Yes, this may cause hardships on other countries but we have to start taking care of our own country. We are sitting ducks for terrorism.

    Gasoline Prices: We have enough resources here that we can use while we are looking for alternative methods of energy. In the meantime, our citizens will have jobs making this happen. We can do this and still protect our wildlife. They are not secure right now anyway due to terrorism. If we get annialated, so will the wildlife. I could go on and on. We can do it.
     
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    Love the Avatar. Just got back from vacation in Mexico ourselves.

    We've given incentives for companies to move overseas. Barack Obama speaks on the folly of this quite often. The problem you run into is some don't want tariffs to level the playing field or cutting off tax breaks to corporations. They fear the retaliation the could make some imported products rise.

    We have to find a balance and I think the first step is to create disincentives for corporations to go overseas and give them tax breaks only if they stay based and grow in The United States of America.

    On the energy problem. I think the environment needs to be highly factored in but I don't necessarily rule out some modest new domestic development in the oil drilling arena. However that is only a band-aid and a long wait even for that if we started today. They say 8 to 10 years before anything started today becomes gasoline.

    We need much higher MPG new cars and new alternative car & power technology across the board to really have energy Independence. If there's a good thing about gas prices (and they're hard to find :))... it makes people think a lot harder about solutions.
     
  3. The Scotsman

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    Hi Guys - try changing your approach from buying and selling cheap crap to manufacturing high quality goods, get away from the short term hire and fire nature to nurturung tallent over the long term - generalisations I know but we can contiunue with the guts as this thread unfolds!

    Look you've been loosing out to everyone for ages now to the point where your tradityional dominance is no longer. Take Airbus, it builds better planes then you. Cars, Japan, Germany....well everybody really.....builds better quality cars than you! Hi Tech is now the preserve of the Indians....did you know for example that in Silicon Valley more companies are owned by Indians than anyone else!! You should get more H1B Immigrants in because if you look at the figures for every one that comes in 5 Americans are employed!!

    Well that's enough to start offending any red blooded American.... so string me up by ma'balls lads!! Instead of whinning start being positive........:rolleyes:
     
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    Everything you said is true but not many in America are willing to admit why it is true.

    The unions and the minimum wage issues along with Americans feeling entitled are the reasons why what you say is true.

    The unions demand more and more money for people regardless of if their company is making a profit, or if the workers are good workers. In fact the unions are notorious for defending bad workers. All of this without any thought of competing in the world market.

    We are at a point that the big debate is “every job should have a living wage”
    This is just so stupid. A high school kid working at Taco Bell does not “need” a living wage but the government (congress) keeps pushing that yes they do.

    People expect 20 or more dollars an hour to assemble items in factories. And threaten to strike if the cost of their health care rises. America can not compete with other countries if we don’t get out of this mind set.

    I think the plan is to keep raising the min wage till we are all at the same wage, then we can fully live the socialist dream they have in mind for us.

    Once a company is forced to raise their min wage, there is no money left to give raises to long time employees, hard workers exc. So the employees who have been there longer stay the same as the incoming and new hires quickly catch up with their wages. The price of everything shoots up since it takes more money to employee the new hires. This cuts at the older worker from both ends. Small or no raises on one end and prices shooting up to balance the higher min wage for the new workers.

    Everyone feels entitled to have a new car and a large house and a wide screen TV, regardless of their educational background or how much they sacrificed or saved to get these things.

    All of this backward thinking is why we are where we are and no one is going to do anything about it… It’s just going to get worse.
     
  5. RealHippy

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    It seems as though you have swallowed Ayn Rand's Philosophy hook, line and sinker...
    I guees you thinks it right that American Jobs go over to China for 10 cents an hour.
     
  6. Pandora

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    I dont know who Ayn Rand is, but I will look him up.

    And no I do not think its ok for our jobs to go to China or any other country for any price. But I do think we need to get a handle on things here. Every job should not be a living wage job. and there should be insentives to stay in a company for a long time. but if the starting wage is much like the ending wage why stay any place?

    I also think we as Americans should be realistic on what we can afford and not charge everything that looks good. We need to get back to the way we used to be. When a family was happy to have a TV and a car. When a vacation to go visit family or go camping 2 weeks out of the year was great and we looked forward to it.

    And I think that the people who work for the government ( Like myself ) should stop living off of the backs of others. I see people like me as more servents to the community. But we have it better than the people who pay our wages. Kind of like the villages living better than the King. its all backwards.
     
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    Ayn Rand was Female and her Philosophy was that greed is a virtue... So much of Corporate America has followed that Philosophy.

    Please tell me what's wrong with a Living wage? Please explain in Great detail.
     
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    I am looking her up (thought it was a he) on Wikipedia, she renounced socialism, I can agree with that, and she must of renounced communism, I can agree with that too but she also renounced religion so I cant agree with her on that. My faith is very important to me.


    Rand opposed U.S. involvement in World War II, although she also strongly denounced pacifism:

    I can not agree opposing ww2 but I agree to denounce pacifism



    Rand supported Israel during the 1973 Arab-Israeli War

    I agree with her there

    ugh.. no time to read all of her Economic thoughts, it looks like she got her ideas from other people and Ill have to research them too. so Ill just say my thoughts are my own. I have not read books on economics.
     
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    there is NOTHING wrong with a living wage. I am saying its stupid for EVERY SINGLE JOB to be a living wage. High school kids working at Taco Bell for fun money do not need a living wage job.


    Growing up I picked beans and strawberrys for far less than the min. wage, but it was alot to a 10 year old kid who used the money for movies swimming and candy, and it taught me to work and earn what I get and spend my money wise because it didn't come easy.

    today kids can not do those jobs (at least in my state) it may differ from state to state.

    when you got to be 15 you could get work permit and make a little more money at a taco bell or burger king or box girl at the super market but it still wasnt enough to make a house and car payment and so on. but that sort of job was never meant to be a living wage job it was meant to make a few extra bucks to buy those fancy jeans your parents were not going to get you in September. or to supliment a retired persons income. today the argument is taco bell and burger king jobs are not a living wages and they should be.

    I think its breaking our Country and I think it is why companys are shipping our jobs away, they cant afford to pay every single person from a 15 year old with a work perment a living wage.
     
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    Then why should you have an opinion on the subject of economics if your not versed on the subject? It's kind of like the Blind leading the blind don't you think?

    She was also an atheist.

    I would suggest if you want to be versed on Ayn Rand start with the book titled The Fountainhead and work from there.

    If one is to argue a policy, then one should do their homework.
     
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    So if there is say a working mother (young, forced to quit school and raise a kid) then she should have to except a wage that would barely cover her transportation?

    It's not breaking our country, that is the crap that is fed to people from corporate supremacist (neo-cons).
     
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    That is so funny!

    I do not have to of died to have an opinion on death. I do not have to have murdered someone to know killing is wrong.

    and I sure am not trying to lead anyone anyplace.......are you?
     
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    No But I am saying that if your going to argue economics you should have to know what your talking about.

    It's kind of like arguing over the subject of Islam and not having read the Koran. And before you ask, no I'm not a Muslim.

    Study the subject matter, that way you have a firm footing in the debate.
     
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    your logic is astounding... :rolleyes:
     
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    The great thing about places like this is that people can have oppinions :rolleyes:
     
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