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Um, yea.


I have used things that Pale has said to debate this on another forum successfully. So I can say that at least one of his posts was effective. Granted it is hard to judge success but when someone just slinks away or shuts up or changes the subject or admits they were wrong or just says "yea but..." you can pretty much know you did good at least once.


In general I think that minds are won in the free marketplace of ideas. Good ideas, clearly stated, with a good attitude will overall win over more people than bad arguments, poorly said, with a bad attitude. We could compare various permutations of those factors.


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