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Discussion in 'Culture & Religion' started by dogtowner, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Do you celebrate Christian (or Jewish, or muslim, or hindu or whathaveyou) holidays ?

    If so do you have qualms about doing it ?
     
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    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Wow dog, you really got us with that killer question

    No, I don't
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    not intended to kill just understand.

    so you're working next Tuesday ?
     
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    Lagboltz Well-Known Member

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    My entire atheist family celebrates Christmas. We put up outdoor lights, a Christmas tree, give gifts, send cards that say "Merry Christmas", enjoy Christmas get-togethers. It's a wonderful uplifting season with a focus on peace on earth, and Santa Claus.

    Why would I have qualms about it.
     
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    cashmcall Well-Known Member

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    This is kind- of a closed forum...but something I would like to know..tia
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    ok im waiting with baited breath...
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    because this occasion was given to you by almighty God perhaps ?

    you take the gift and wont acknowledge the giver.

    its ok though God loves you just the same and is good with waiting.
     
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    Lagboltz's post is refreshing! It's not atheism with which I have a problem, even though I'm a Christian. I know some great people who are atheists. It's not necessarily a belief in God that reflects good character and kind intentions in individuals, it's one's basic principles of morality and one's behavior toward others of good character and behavior. I believe we must judge individuals on their merit and their behavior, not on whether they're religious. Afterall, if one lives by principles that are noble, it doesn't matter in which God or if in any God they believe.

    I could end up looking like a putz on this one should someone inform me that Lagboltz is a convicted felon. ;)
     
  9. Lagboltz

    Lagboltz Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be trying to make me guilty of something that I don't believe in. Jesus was a great prophet and there is a world-wide celebration of his birthday and, as far as I'm concerned the occasion is about Jesus and not God.
     
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    Lagboltz Well-Known Member

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    Thank you JPRD. You said something that would be self-serving if I said it. To many, atheism is a bad word. It seems that some even fear atheists.
     
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    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Xmas day is a public holiday when you all celebrate the pagan fictional character Santa Claus, indulge in even more gluttony and commercialism, impoverish further already hard pressed families at a time when the suicide rate goes through the roof

    I can see why Christians want to claim it as the fictional birthday of someone who didn't exist

    I bet most Christians put up a Christmas tree which is a pagan symbol

    Xmas to me is just a few days off work and a few parties like it is for most people.

    It has no religious significance at all

    Except for idiots who can't escape the brainwashing they experienced as a child
     
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    How can this be about Jesus and not about God? Jesus, the trinity, says Jesus was all three: The father, the son, and the Holy Ghost ( which I interpret as meaning the fine and noble things that JPRD talked about.)

    In my opinion, Christmas is just one of many holidays celebrated by all the monotheistic religions. The ritual and the occasion for celebration may be different, but the family gather, gift giving, charity, etc. are all in the same spirit. If you have a religion, the primary purpose must be to honor God and show your finest qualities as a human.

    Actually, I think more atheists might admit some higher power exists to keep the world running on schedule, and maybe even sent men prophets to teach humans some noble lessons.

     
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    That is certainly the Catholic point of view. I understand why Christians want to honor God, but you have to understand that is an empty concept to atheists. I don't believe there is a God that has created the universe, or micromanages people or events.

    I have a great awe of the universe and everything in it, and that's why I am a physicist -- to study the intricate details of what you see as God's creation. If I want to look at it from your point of view, I honor the creation through a study of physics, which I think is the finest possible "liturgy", but I understand that not everyone can do that.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    so you're working Tuesday ?
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    your point of view notwithstanding, the occasion is what it is based on the Christian scripture there is no Christmad without God's gift to us all
     
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