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Bank of America backpedals on overdraft fees

Will cap the fees it charges customers for overdrawing accounts

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updated 8:25 p.m. CT, Tues., Sept . 22, 2009

NEW YORK - Bank of America Corp. said Tuesday it's capping the fees it charges customers for overdrawing their accounts, backpedaling on the hikes the company imposed just this year.
Starting Oct. 19, Bank of America said it will no longer charge overdraft fees when a customer's account is overdrawn by less than $10 in one day. A $35 fee will still be levied if the account isn't brought into balance within five days.
The Charlotte, N.C.-based bank also will limit to four the number of times an overdraft fee can be charged on an account per day. Just this year, the bank had raised that cap from five to 10. It also raised the fee this year for the first overdraft in a 12-month period to $35 from $25 — a hike that still stands.
Enrollment in the bank's overdraft program is currently automatic for new customers, and opting out is possible only in "very limited" circumstances, said Anne Pace, a Bank of America spokeswoman. But now customers will be able opt out, meaning that transactions will be denied at the register if customers don't have enough money in their accounts to cover a purchase.

Opting out of the program
Pace said the company didn't have an estimate on how many people might opt out of the overdraft program, noting that many consider it a useful backup. Customers will need to visit their local branches to opt out. They will also be able to call, Pace said, but the appropriate phone number hasn't yet been determined.
When asked about the reversal from the fee hikes earlier this year, Pace said the company is responding to the "changing needs" of customers in the difficult economic environment.
JPMorgan Chase & Co. also will be overhauling its overdraft fees, a spokeswoman said late Tuesday.
The bank will make overdraft protection opt-in for all customers, post transactions to accounts as they occur, and eliminate fees when accounts are overdrawn by $5 or less. It will also reduce the maximum number of fees per day to three from six.
The changes will apply to all customer accounts, the spokeswoman said. She said the bank expects to implement them during the first quarter of next year.
The banks' turnaround comes amid widespread criticism of the industry's excessive fees. Sweeping credit card reforms passed earlier this year will soon limit banks' ability to raise fees and interest rates and require greater disclosure about costs.
Banks will also have to give customers the choice to opt into over-the-limit programs for credit cards, which are similar to overdraft programs and charge consumers for spending beyond their credit limit.
The credit card law doesn't address debit cards, however, and banks can still automatically enroll cardholders into overdraft programs. Three-quarters of large banks have automated overdraft programs, according to a 2006 study by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Source of revenue for banks
Consumer advocates say automatic enrollment in overdraft programs is misleading, because most people assume they can only spend the money they have when using debit cards. But the programs have become an industry standard in the past several years, and a hefty source of revenue for banks.

No more free stuff for credit card applications

However, Bank of America said that starting in June it will give consumers the choice to opt into overdraft programs when they sign up for an account. Other changes coming in June include:
  • An annual limit for the number of times its customers can overdraw their accounts when making purchases with debit cards. Customers who are nearing the annual limit will be contacted by the bank and be provided "education and tools" to help them manage their budgets.
  • Customers who reach the annual limit will have their overdraft ability restricted.
Initial overdraft fees at banks range from $16 to $36, according to a survey by the Consumer Federation of America conducted in March. Some banks also charge sustained fees if consumers fail to bring their accounts up to balance with a couple days; CFA says 10 of the 16 largest banks make such assessments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32976072/ns/business-us_business

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And it's about TIME...the banks have established the 'gouge system' to a fine art and now they are getting caught with their proverbial hands in the cookie jar and decide to be more consumer friendly...JEEZ LOUISE :mad:
It's about 'FRICK'N TIME'...IMO
 
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Bank of America backpedals on overdraft fees

Will cap the fees it charges customers for overdrawing accounts

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updated 8:25 p.m. CT, Tues., Sept . 22, 2009

NEW YORK - Bank of America Corp. said Tuesday it's capping the fees it charges customers for overdrawing their accounts, backpedaling on the hikes the company imposed just this year.
Starting Oct. 19, Bank of America said it will no longer charge overdraft fees when a customer's account is overdrawn by less than $10 in one day. A $35 fee will still be levied if the account isn't brought into balance within five days.
The Charlotte, N.C.-based bank also will limit to four the number of times an overdraft fee can be charged on an account per day. Just this year, the bank had raised that cap from five to 10. It also raised the fee this year for the first overdraft in a 12-month period to $35 from $25 — a hike that still stands.
Enrollment in the bank's overdraft program is currently automatic for new customers, and opting out is possible only in "very limited" circumstances, said Anne Pace, a Bank of America spokeswoman. But now customers will be able opt out, meaning that transactions will be denied at the register if customers don't have enough money in their accounts to cover a purchase.

Opting out of the program
Pace said the company didn't have an estimate on how many people might opt out of the overdraft program, noting that many consider it a useful backup. Customers will need to visit their local branches to opt out. They will also be able to call, Pace said, but the appropriate phone number hasn't yet been determined.
When asked about the reversal from the fee hikes earlier this year, Pace said the company is responding to the "changing needs" of customers in the difficult economic environment.
JPMorgan Chase & Co. also will be overhauling its overdraft fees, a spokeswoman said late Tuesday.
The bank will make overdraft protection opt-in for all customers, post transactions to accounts as they occur, and eliminate fees when accounts are overdrawn by $5 or less. It will also reduce the maximum number of fees per day to three from six.
The changes will apply to all customer accounts, the spokeswoman said. She said the bank expects to implement them during the first quarter of next year.
The banks' turnaround comes amid widespread criticism of the industry's excessive fees. Sweeping credit card reforms passed earlier this year will soon limit banks' ability to raise fees and interest rates and require greater disclosure about costs.
Banks will also have to give customers the choice to opt into over-the-limit programs for credit cards, which are similar to overdraft programs and charge consumers for spending beyond their credit limit.
The credit card law doesn't address debit cards, however, and banks can still automatically enroll cardholders into overdraft programs. Three-quarters of large banks have automated overdraft programs, according to a 2006 study by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Source of revenue for banks
Consumer advocates say automatic enrollment in overdraft programs is misleading, because most people assume they can only spend the money they have when using debit cards. But the programs have become an industry standard in the past several years, and a hefty source of revenue for banks.

No more free stuff for credit card applications

However, Bank of America said that starting in June it will give consumers the choice to opt into overdraft programs when they sign up for an account. Other changes coming in June include:
  • An annual limit for the number of times its customers can overdraw their accounts when making purchases with debit cards. Customers who are nearing the annual limit will be contacted by the bank and be provided "education and tools" to help them manage their budgets.
  • Customers who reach the annual limit will have their overdraft ability restricted.
Initial overdraft fees at banks range from $16 to $36, according to a survey by the Consumer Federation of America conducted in March. Some banks also charge sustained fees if consumers fail to bring their accounts up to balance with a couple days; CFA says 10 of the 16 largest banks make such assessments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32976072/ns/business-us_business

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And it's about TIME...the banks have established the 'gouge system' to a fine art and now they are getting caught with their proverbial hands in the cookie jar and decide to be more consumer friendly...JEEZ LOUISE :mad:
It's about 'FRICK'N TIME'...IMO

Let us be real here, if you spend more money than is in your account, it is not really the bank's fault.
 
Let us be real here, if you spend more money than is in your account, it is not really the bank's fault.

Ok, we've chased this around the wood shed a couple of times and we covered every reason known to mankind the why/wherefores that a checking account could become overdrawn and they ARE NOT ALL DUE TO THE STUPIDITY OF THE ACCOUNT HOLDER!!! :rolleyes:

But as we've discussed...the bank clerks are TRAINED to post all debits to the account prior to posting deposits to the account :mad:

WHY, so that the banks can make loads of money on the overdrafts that they know that this type/style of posting will create and it has been very, very effectual for the banks!!!
 
Ok, we've chased this around the wood shed a couple of times and we covered every reason known to mankind the why/wherefores that a checking account could become overdrawn and they ARE NOT ALL DUE TO THE STUPIDITY OF THE ACCOUNT HOLDER!!! :rolleyes:

But as we've discussed...the bank clerks are TRAINED to post all debits to the account prior to posting deposits to the account :mad:

WHY, so that the banks can make loads of money on the overdrafts that they know that this type/style of posting will create and it has been very, very effectual for the banks!!!

Perhaps you would be so kind to point out the plethora of examples in which an overdrawn account is not the fault of the account holder? Even if they mark the deposits after the debits, why are people running around with the possibility of $0 in your account?

Certainly there a few cases, but in every case that it is the bank's fault, the overdraft fee will be repaid. If it is not, then you ought to get a new bank.
 
Perhaps you would be so kind to point out the plethora of examples in which an overdrawn account is not the fault of the account holder? Even if they mark the deposits after the debits, why are people running around with the possibility of $0 in your account?

Certainly there a few cases, but in every case that it is the bank's fault, the overdraft fee will be repaid. If it is not, then you ought to get a new bank.
Possible reasons that an account can be over drawn due to no fault of the responsible account holder:

1. a mistake in a transfer of funds {from savings to checking and vice verse} by the bank/clerk person who handled the information inadvertently posting a wrong number into the system incorrectly
2. a mistake in an automatic withdrawal/debit to the account that exceeds the proper/established 'NORMAL' funding.
3. a mistake in a automatic deposit/wire transfer of funds from a Payroll Company
4. a check paid for services that was deposited that turned out to be written on a 'CLOSED ACCOUNT' or the CHECK was a NSF check
That is the top 4 that I remember off of the top of my head...the conversation is around here somewhere but for time and other duties here at home...I'm a little pressed and have provided you with a plethora of BASIC reasons that you could have been able to list on you own...had you so desired to THINK about the reason that a bank would/could start an avalanche of OD on your account and then set back and watch the $$$$ roll in to their coffers.

Is this something 'New'...absolutely NOT!
Is this something that Congress wanted to review & look at...absolutely!
Is this the first that you've heard about the way in which banks make loads of money...highly unlikely but then again some things in this world do slip by your ever watchful gaze!!! ;)
 
Possible reasons that an account can be over drawn due to no fault of the responsible account holder:

1. a mistake in a transfer of funds {from savings to checking and vice verse} by the bank/clerk person who handled the information inadvertently posting a wrong number into the system incorrectly
2. a mistake in an automatic withdrawal/debit to the account that exceeds the proper/established 'NORMAL' funding.
3. a mistake in a automatic deposit/wire transfer of funds from a Payroll Company
4. a check paid for services that was deposited that turned out to be written on a 'CLOSED ACCOUNT' or the CHECK was a NSF check
That is the top 4 that I remember off of the top of my head...the conversation is around here somewhere but for time and other duties here at home...I'm a little pressed and have provided you with a plethora of BASIC reasons that you could have been able to list on you own...had you so desired to THINK about the reason that a bank would/could start an avalanche of OD on your account and then set back and watch the $$$$ roll in to their coffers.

Is this something 'New'...absolutely NOT!
Is this something that Congress wanted to review & look at...absolutely!
Is this the first that you've heard about the way in which banks make loads of money...highly unlikely but then again some things in this world do slip by your ever watchful gaze!!! ;)

All of the things you listed above are mistakes on the part of the bank and should be reimbursed by the bank. What bank do you use that penalizes you for their error?
 
All of the things you listed above are mistakes on the part of the bank and should be reimbursed by the bank. What bank do you use that penalizes you for their error?

Well, that statement just proves the lack of business knowledge and the inner workings of our standard banking industry...either that or you really didn't read the post :rolleyes:

GOOD GRIEF...I won't waste my time discussing this topic with you if you deliberately ignore what was typed!
 
Well, that statement just proves the lack of business knowledge and the inner workings of our standard banking industry...either that or you really didn't read the post :rolleyes:

GOOD GRIEF...I won't waste my time discussing this topic with you if you deliberately ignore what was typed!

Take it as you wish, if the bank makes an error and you do not get paid back for it it is your own fault.
 
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Banks HAVE been doing some pretty reprehensible things in order to literally confiscate more fees. However, if you hold your checking account balance "zero" at a few thousand above real "zero", then you won't have a problem. That, of course, is a fairly contentious point.
 
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