Blacks and using the race card when is convinient!!

XCALIDEM

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Being a latino myself, I know that I shouldn't talk about this issue. However, it busts my balls when crap like this surfaces.

Why is it ok only when blacks make this kind of comments? I don't get it....:mad: We have lowered our standards as americans and are afraid of being called racists for going against this crap...:mad:


The race to replace Barack Obama as Illinois' junior senator heated up Tuesday as Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called on Gov. Rod Blagojevich to name a black man or woman to the seat.

By invoking race, Rush, who is black, drove a potential wedge between the prospective white and black contenders for the seat. Rush said it would be a "national disgrace" if Obama's seat were not filled by an African American.

Illinois isn't the only state with a seat to fill. As Barack Obama takes over the White House, he leaves in his wake a host of vacancies, and some are becoming the focal points for fresh political battles.

The Illinois governor has said he plans to name the replacement by the end of the year. That person would serve out the remaining two years of Obama's term.

"We don't want (Blagojevich) to short-circuit the will and the wisdom of the state of Illinois," Rush told FOXNews.com, after holding a press conference in Chicago announcing his petition drive for the governor to name a black candidate.

"As we speak, there are no African Americans in the Senate. (Blagojevich) has the power to put one there."

Obama's seat has been occupied twice by a black politician since the early '90s. Carol Moseley Braun, the first and only black woman to serve in the U.S. Senate, held the seat from 1993 to 1999, when Peter Fitzgerald defeated her. Obama then succeeded Fitzgerald in 2005 and served until he resigned last month to prepare for the presidency.

Rush, a former Black Panther member who defeated Obama in a 2000 race for a seat in the House of Representatives, said that he wasn't backing any particular candidate to replace Obama and that he had no insight into whether Blagojevich was leaning toward a white candidate over a black candidate, or vice-versa.

But Rush said, "We don't want to risk being silent in this process." He said he plans to deliver his petition to the governor by Christmas.

Among the potential black candidates who could replace Obama are Rep. Danny Davis, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and Illinois Senate President Emil Jones. Among the other potential candidates are Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan. Tammy Duckworth, who is Asian-American, also is in the mix. However, speculation is growing that Duckworth, head of the Illinois Department of Veterans' Affairs, will get the nod to lead the national department under Obama.

Chicago political consultant Philip Molfese said Blagojevich has no choice but to consider race in his decision.

"That's, I think, an important consideration the governor has to take," he said. "Barack Obama was the only African American in the U.S. Senate."

Blagojevich's office did not return a request for comment on Rush's petition. However, the Chicago Sun-Times reported last week that Blagojevich may have slipped when he referred to Davis twice last week as "Senator Davis."

Though the governor corrected himself and said he hasn't made his choice yet, he still talked up Davis as a "strong candidate" for the job.

"That's certainly telling of something," said Molfese, president of Grainger Terry. He said Davis and Duckworth are creating the most buzz in Chicago as potential replacements.

Obama's official announcement Monday that Hillary Clinton will be his secretary of state nominee also leaves a vacancy in the New York Senate seat that she holds.

Her departure means New York Gov. David Paterson will have a month or more to choose Clinton's successor. The window could lead to a frenetic holiday season in New York politics. Among those mentioned as potential successors are New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown and a number of representatives in Congress.

Rep. Nita Lowey, one of the more prominent potential replacements, told The Associated Press she is not interested in Clinton's seat. But other potential candidates from the halls of Congress include Reps. Kirsten Gillibrand and Brian Higgins, both of whom would satisfy those seeking someone from upstate New York. New York City contenders include Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Jerrold Nadler and Nydia Velazquez.

The replacement process for other Cabinet selections is a bit more clean-cut.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson is expected to be named as Obama's commerce secretary on Wednesday. According to state law, the former presidential candidate would be replaced in New Mexico by Lt. Gov. Diane Denish. She would then have to run for re-election in 2010.

"It's automatic in our state," said James Flores, spokesman for the New Mexico secretary of state's office. "As soon as (Richardson's) gone, our lieutenant governor will move up to the governorship at that time."

Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano was nominated by Obama on Monday to be his Homeland Security secretary. The move means the Arizona Democrat will be replaced by a Republican, Arizona Secretary of State Jan Brewer. Brewer is a veteran Republican officeholder with more than two decades as a legislator, county supervisor and secretary of state. Arizona does not have a lieutenant governor.

Vice President-elect Joe Biden already has his replacement in the U.S. Senate. His former aide, Edward Kaufman, was named late last month by Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner to fill the seat. Kaufman plans to serve until the 2010 election, and said he is comfortable stepping down at that point.

Speculation had centered on Biden's son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, but the Delaware official announced last month that he planned to fulfill his National Guard duties and would not accept an appointment. Biden is a prosecutor for the 261st Signal Brigade, which left for Iraq in November. Beau Biden could, however, run in 2010.

The Associated Press contributed to this report
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Being a latino myself, I know that I shouldn't talk about this issue. However, it busts my balls when crap like this surfaces.

Why is it ok only when blacks make this kind of comments? I don't get it....:mad: We have lowered our standards as americans and are afraid of being called racists for going against this crap...:mad:


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I don't get your b1tch?:confused:

Blacks are a minority just as Latinos are. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see that your "minority" gets a shot at a position.
 
I don't get your b1tch?:confused:

Blacks are a minority just as Latinos are. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see that your "minority" gets a shot at a position.

It would definitely be an outrage by all the media if a non "african american" would had make those comments.

That is why I'm *****ing...:mad:
 
Being a latino myself, I know that I shouldn't talk about this issue. However, it busts my balls when crap like this surfaces.

Why is it ok only when blacks make this kind of comments? I don't get it....:mad: We have lowered our standards as americans and are afraid of being called racists for going against this crap...:mad:


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I very rarely agree with you Calidem, but I do agree with you here. It should be the best person for the job.
 
It would definitely be an outrage by all the media if a non "african american" would had make those comments.

That is why I'm *****ing...:mad:

Still don't get the anger myself.:)

When you are in the MINORITY you do have a slight bit more license to speak out in behalf of your cause... because you are often in a very less likely to prevail position.

This mountain out of a mole hill stuff isn't really all that helpful in a time when we really should be all working together to turn around the utter disaster of policy & now circumstance of the last 8 years.

Let's work together for a second!
 
Still don't get the anger myself.:)

When you are in the MINORITY you do have a slight bit more license to speak out in behalf of your cause... because you are often in a very less likely to prevail position.

This mountain out of a mole hill stuff isn't really all that helpful in a time when we really should be all working together to turn around the utter disaster of policy & now circumstance of the last 8 years.

Let's work together for a second!

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Does this not prove your prejudice? I thought you were the party of unity. The party of the melting pot. The party of the color blind. Here you are saying openly that we should have someone replaced for nothing other than color. Amazing!

No, we are either all Americans, or we are not. And if you are not, you should get out. If we are all Americans, there is no "minority". calidem411 is an American. Do you understand that? He's not a "latino"... he's a red blooded American, like all of us are. He's not a poor, 'need the help of arrogant white liberals' minority. He's an American. Why is this so hard? Huh? Oh right... liberal.
 
When you are in the MINORITY you do have a slight bit more license to speak out in behalf of your cause...

I will hold you to that for the next four years. ;) Further, does this mean in cities that are predominately African-American that as a white person I can rant about the plight of the white man and expect your support?

Let's work together for a second![/COLOR]

Yea, let us work together as Americans, not as white, black, or latino.
 
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Does this not prove your prejudice? I thought you were the party of unity. The party of the melting pot. The party of the color blind. Here you are saying openly that we should have someone replaced for nothing other than color. Amazing!

No, we are either all Americans, or we are not. And if you are not, you should get out. If we are all Americans, there is no "minority". calidem411 is an American. Do you understand that? He's not a "latino"... he's a red blooded American, like all of us are. He's not a poor, 'need the help of arrogant white liberals' minority. He's an American. Why is this so hard? Huh? Oh right... liberal.

I said I don't understand the "anger".

The fact that someone speaks out hoping to promote a minority doesn't mean they should necessarily get anything. It happens all the time in the good old boys network, always has.

It just goes without saying because they (that would be me, White male) are the majority.
 
I will hold you to that for the next four years. ;) Further, does this mean in cities that are predominately African-American that as a white person I can rant about the plight of the white man and expect your support?

Once again I can't really understand why everyone else can't understand the position of a minority. You must have at some point been in some minority even if it was just the big kids/younger kids example.

As far as "ranting" anyone can rightfully rant if there's a true injustice being done to them regardless of race or anything else.

What usually happens is it's like a fight in football though... the guy that throws the second punch usually gets the flag.

If the whole point in something is to level some playing field that has been throughly documented as being unfair... then speaking out for or a rule allowing for a counterbalance is not a slight against the ones who benefited unfairly in the past.


Yea, let us work together as Americans, not as white, black, or latino.

Absolutely! That doesn't mean some groups won't speak out for themselves... and I personally think it's good to show some diversity. But in the final analysis you try and pick just good qualified people.

I think it's really very funny that so many on the Far Right just have this psychotic paranoid fear that now the whole country is gonna be overrun with Blacks & Mexican in all the high power places and picking on them. Because we elected one Black President????????????

President Obama is a highly intelligent, well schooled, cummunity leader, businessman, Senator, caring person & family man. We didn't elect 50 cent for Christ sake. (no offense 50!):D
 
Once again I can't really understand why everyone else can't understand the position of a minority. You must have at some point been in some minority even if it was just the big kids/younger kids example.

As far as "ranting" anyone can rightfully rant if there's a true injustice being done to them regardless of race or anything else.


I understand what it is like to be in a minority in certain situations. I feel however that there are proper ways to handle that, and making the issue about race is not the proper manner about which to further your cause.


If the whole point in something is to level some playing field that has been throughly documented as being unfair... then speaking out for or a rule allowing for a counterbalance is not a slight against the ones who benefited unfairly in the past.


In the city where I grew they enacted this "fair share" program for business. It required (by law) that minority owned businesses get a certain percent of contracts awarded by the city. What this resulted in was the city having to pay higher prices to less qualified firms simply because they had to meet a quota. I have no problem with a minority owned business doing the job, provided they are the best for the job.. I do have a problem with arbitrary quotas.

Often the counterbalances are unfair themselves in their implementation.


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Absolutely! That doesn't mean some groups won't speak out for themselves... and I personally think it's good to show some diversity. But in the final analysis you try and pick just good qualified people. [/quote]

I agree, but when you set up these arbitrary quotas in some of these counterbalances, you in fact do you not often get the best most qualified people.

I think it's really very funny that so many on the Far Right just have this psychotic paranoid fear that now the whole country is gonna be overrun with Blacks & Mexican in all the high power places and picking on them. Because we elected one Black President????????????

President Obama is a highly intelligent, well schooled, cummunity leader, businessman, Senator, caring person & family man. We didn't elect 50 cent for Christ sake. (no offense 50!):D

I am not sure many people think we are about to be overrun because Obama was elected. My problem with Obama has nothing to do with his skin, it has to do with his policies. If he puts out policies I agree with I will support them, if he doesn't I will oppose the policies.
 
Still don't get the anger myself.:)

When you are in the MINORITY you do have a slight bit more license to speak out in behalf of your cause... because you are often in a very less likely to prevail position.

Let's work together for a second!

That sounds like a racist comment...
 
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In the city where I grew they enacted this "fair share" program for business. It required (by law) that minority owned businesses get a certain percent of contracts awarded by the city. What this resulted in was the city having to pay higher prices to less qualified firms simply because they had to meet a quota. I have no problem with a minority owned business doing the job, provided they are the best for the job.. I do have a problem with arbitrary quotas.

Often the counterbalances are unfair themselves in their implementation.

That may well be the case in some isolated instances. But I'm not arguing individual actions. I'm saying "overall" there is a credible reason at times to allow a previously discriminated against group (in law we call that the damaged party) to receive an adjustment in terms.

I agree, but when you set up these arbitrary quotas in some of these counterbalances, you in fact do you not often get the best most qualified people.

I think you bring up a good point but let's explore that further. If the case is that there are "qualified" but not the "most qualified" minority job candidates because of the original discrimination then if you do nothing... then that never changes.

This will and is working itself out over time. Today minorities in huge numbers go to college and advanced training programs so there are as qualified minority as majority candidates in most instances.

What I think we can both agree on is that at some point soon the playing field should be deemed as reasonably enough fair & balanced and no additional benefit should be needed by any group.


I am not sure many people think we are about to be overrun because Obama was elected. My problem with Obama has nothing to do with his skin, it has to do with his policies. If he puts out policies I agree with I will support them, if he doesn't I will oppose the policies.

That's reasonable. But that's just you.;)

I'm not sure that as a Conservative you'll be able to fully embrace an Obama administration's policies but I can tell you this. I fully believe the country will do better than it has in the previous 8 years. That's my goal for the future.
 
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