California drilling for water? Wheres the evoinmentalist?

[steveox]

California Farmers: Drill, Baby, Drill (for Water, That Is)

California is locked in an epochal drought—and yet produce aisles nationwide still brim with reasonably prices fruit and vegetables from the Golden State. How does California continue providing half of US-grown vegetables under such parched conditions?

Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute, one of the world's leading think tanks on water issues, broke it down for me. He says that despite the drought, California farmers will likely idle only about a half million acres this year—less than 10 percent of normal plantings, which are about 8 million acres. And most of the fallowed land will involve "low-value" crops like cotton and alfalfa (used as a feed for the dairy and beef industries)—not the stuff you eat directly, like broccoli, lettuce, and almonds.

In the Central Valley—California's most important growing region, which spans 450 miles along the center of the state—the drought is a massive inconvenience, but it hasn't cut farms off from water. Under ideal conditions, the great bulk of irrigation water flows through an elaborate network of canals and aqueducts that divert water from rivers (largely fed by Sierra Nevada snowmelt) to farms.

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2014/04/california-drought-groundwater-drilling

So its ok to drill for water but not oil? Go figure

 

[dogtowner]

Gotta keep the pot plants hydrated above all else.

 

[steveox]

Yeah but do without. Take yer loss. Get farming some where else. Why should i pay $3.55 for a gallon of gas?

 

[PLC1]

The value of the crops that weren't planted was given at $2.2 billion in the local news.
And the city of Madera, start of the current leg of the train to now.. I mean high speed rail has seen its wells run dry. So have several small towns on the east of the San Joaquin Valley.

And the well drillers are so over booked it takes 6 - 9 months before they can come and drill anyone's well a bit deeper.

And the state is chronically short of water and uses more than mother nature gives us even in wet years.

And the yahoos in Sacramento would rather build a train to no.. I mean high speed rail than new water storage, let alone a system to actually bring water into the state.

And California produces somewhere around 50% of the nation's fruits and vegetables, including 99% of the almonds, and 80% of the world's almonds.

And the growers say that it takes a gallon of water per almond. I can't verify that, but they should know.

So, drill baby drill, but that isn't going to solve the water woes.

Oh, and California's water woes are everyone's woes once the price increases hit the grocery stores.

Just thought you'd like to know.

 

[dogtowner]

It always amazes me how polititians keep rubberstamping development knowing full well the areas cannot support it.
You guys need to get desalination going like Saudi Arabia did years ago.
Water may start costing more than gas.

 

[PLC1]

It always amazes me how polititians keep rubberstamping development knowing full well the areas cannot support it.
You guys need to get desalination going like Saudi Arabia did years ago.
Water may start costing more than gas.

It is getting more expensive for sure.
Desalination might work for urban use, but is too expensive for agriculture. What we need to do in the short term is conserve, in t he longer term, to bring more water in from somewhere else.

 

[dogtowner]

It is getting more expensive for sure.
Desalination might work for urban use, but is too expensive for agriculture. What we need to do in the short term is conserve, in t he longer term, to bring more water in from somewhere else.

So look to the sea for the costal metroplexes and free that water for ag.
If those developers want to build they can pony up for a water plant.

 

[PLC1]

So look to the sea for the costal metroplexes and free that water for ag.
If those developers want to build they can pony up for a water plant.

That would no doubt help.

It wouldn't solve the water problems, but it would help.

 

[dogtowner]

That would no doubt help.

It wouldn't solve the water problems, but it would help.

Have to say when you talk about getting water from someplace else, i get uneasy as it suggests you are unwilling to accept that there is such a thing as "full".

 

[PLC1]

Have to say when you talk about getting water from someplace else, i get uneasy as it suggests you are unwilling to accept that there is such a thing as "full".

?? That I don't understand.
If the reservoirs were full, we'd not need to be importing water.

 

[dogtowner]

?? That I don't understand.
If the reservoirs were full, we'd not need to be importing water.

And if you had less demand it wouldnt depleat so. Like LA smog. Too many cars ina bowl that traps exausts. Fewer people fewer cars less smog. LA got "full" a couple generations ago but developers wont quit.

 

[Cruella]

I never did understand why we never went the desalination route.

Half of California is a desert and we never have had much rain fall. Of course it doesn't help that Sacramento lets a lot of our rain run off into the ocean.

 

[dogtowner]

I never did understand why we never went the desalination route.

Half of California is a desert and we never have had much rain fall. Of course it doesn't help that Sacramento lets a lot of our rain run off into the ocean.

its really expensive. Saudi Arabia has money to burn. Cali not so much.

 

[PLC1]

And if you had less demand it wouldnt depleat so. Like LA smog. Too many cars ina bowl that traps exausts. Fewer people fewer cars less smog. LA got "full" a couple generations ago but developers wont quit.

I see. So, if we had fewer farmers, we'd need less water. That's a good point, I suppose. Maybe we could try growing peaches in Michigan, where there is plenty of water. Can you see any downside to that idea?

 

[dogtowner]

I see. So, if we had fewer farmers, we'd need less water. That's a good point, I suppose. Maybe we could try growing peaches in Michigan, where there is plenty of water. Can you see any downside to that idea?

if you had fewer NON farmers. Send half of LA San Diego San Fran etc elsewhere .