Confining Terrorists -> Republicans; Clueless-As-Usual

[Mr. Shaman]

(It must be that lack-of-leadership thing.)​

"Most prisoners spend up to 23 hours a day in their cells, every minute, every meal. The window in their cell is blocked so they can't see the mountains. Inmates can watch a 12" black and white television or read books to pass the time. And if they behave, they may get limited exercise in a one-man recreation pen.

This was the life terrorist Richard Reid saw when he was brought into Supermax.

"We're escorting him down and his eyes are getting bigger and bigger. He's realizing, 'I'm in trouble,'" Hood says of Reid's arrival."​

 

[Popeye]

(It must be that lack-of-leadership thing.)​

C'mon now man, I was reading where even though the prisoners have to spend 23 hours a day confined in a little cell, each individual cell is equipped with it's own shower....that means no more worries about dropping the soap.

Of course that doesn't account for the guards, many of whom in the nation's prisons have exhibited less than stellar behavior.

I saw the 60 Minutes segment on it, looks like a swell place...I think the murdering right wing extremists, such as Dr Tiller's murderer should be sent there. After all, they are domestic terrorists..aren't they?

 

[Bob the Builder]

I think the murdering right wing extremists, such as Dr Tiller's murderer should be sent there. After all, they are domestic terrorists..aren't they?

Right wing extremists? Where do you get that from? This guy was a whack job no doubt, but he was FAR from being on the "right". If anything, that nutjob was operating in his own little universe just like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh.

As far as him being a "terrorist", don't give him that much credit, he's nothing but a murderer, but then again, so was his victim, so I call it a wash. Let him stand trial for his crime, and serve the sentence handed down, even if it's the death penalty.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

I watched the '60 Minute' show too...and it was really, really appalling the low number of staff that are on the time schedules/payroll at that facility!!!

My guess would be a tightening up of that staffing problem if Guantanamo is closing it doors and those still incarcerated are shipped to this place!

 

[Popeye]

Right wing extremists? Where do you get that from? This guy was a whack job no doubt, but he was FAR from being on the "right". If anything, that nutjob was operating in his own little universe just like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh.

As far as him being a "terrorist", don't give him that much credit, he's nothing but a murderer, but then again, so was his victim, so I call it a wash. Let him stand trial for his crime, and serve the sentence handed down, even if it's the death penalty.

Dr. Tiller's murderer, Scott Roeder, is a right wing domestic terrorist with ties to Operation Rescue, but beyond that he also was connected with a violent right wing extremist group that came to prominence in the 1990s:

But Roeder's violent right-wing extremism seems to extend beyond the issue of abortion. In April 1996, amid anxiety over the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, Roeder was stopped by police after a motorist reported seeing a car with a license plate reading: "Sovereign -- Private Property -- Immunity Declared at Law --Non Commercial American."

("Sovereign citizens" claim to be unaccountable to the federal government, deriving certain rights under English common law. It's been a favored legal strategy of various violent right-wing extremists, including white supremacists.)

When police searched Roeder's car, they found the makings of a bomb: a blasting cap; two six-volt lantern batteries, one wired with a clothespin and a cigarette wrapper; and a 1-pound can of black gunpowder. In Roeder's home, police found instructions titled "Underground Cookbook: Clothes Pin Time-Delayed Switch."

Roeder was listed by the FBI as a member of the freemen group, which at the time of his arrest was locked in a standoff with federal authorities near Jordan, Montana. (Many freemen also used that license plate tag.) Roeder was ultimately sentenced to 16 months in prison for violating his parole, but the conviction was tossed out after a court found that the evidence against him had been illegally gathered.

Sounds a lot like Timothy McViegh, I suppose in your rather warped logic (no doubt a fan of BillO, Beck and Hannity) you wouldn't classify him as a domestic terrorist either.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...rder_suspects_ties_to_right-wing_extremis.php

 

[Pandora]

Dr. Tiller's murderer, Scott Roeder, is a right wing domestic terrorist with ties to Operation Rescue, but beyond that he also was connected with a violent right wing extremist group that came to prominence in the 1990s:



Sounds a lot like Timothy McViegh, I suppose in your rather warped logic (no doubt a fan of BillO, Beck and Hannity) you wouldn't classify him as a domestic terrorist either.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...rder_suspects_ties_to_right-wing_extremis.php

I think you have a reasonable argument that the guy who shot the abortionist was a right wing extremist, I still disagree that the Jew hater was a right wing extremist and McVeigh also was no right wing extremist.

 

[Popeye]

I think you have a reasonable argument that the guy who shot the abortionist was a right wing extremist, I still disagree that the Jew hater was a right wing extremist and McVeigh also was no right wing extremist.

How do you figure?..McViegh was far RW, so far he didn't even believe in license plates, just like Roeder, and he was part of the militia movement. Then he goes and kills 168 people..I call that a RW domestic terrorist.

 

[Popeye]

I watched the '60 Minute' show too...and it was really, really appalling the low number of staff that are on the time schedules/payroll at that facility!!!

My guess would be a tightening up of that staffing problem if Guantanamo is closing it doors and those still incarcerated are shipped to this place!

Yeah, they were saying it was really understaffed. Though the one woman guard they interviewed seemed pretty reasonable..you have to wonder about the mindset of someone who would want to work there.

That's not a bad idea..close Gitmo and send the guilty (who knows how many really are) to this place. Supermax contains beds for 490 prisoners and supposedly there's less than 300 left in Guantanamo. They could work it out.

 

[Bob the Builder]

How do you figure?..McViegh was far RW, so far he didn't even believe in license plates, just like Roeder, and he was part of the militia movement. Then he goes and kills 168 people..I call that a RW domestic terrorist.

So you're ignoring all of the Left Wing extremists are you? Rather selective reasoning you've got going on there. I wonder if you apply the same "logic" to PETA "domestic terrorists", or Black Panther Party "domestic terrorists", the SLA "domestic terrorists", the Unabomber, Obama's buddy Bill Ayers and the Weathermen, ALF, ELF, Greenpeace, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Pandora]

How do you figure?..McViegh was far RW, so far he didn't even believe in license plates, just like Roeder, and he was part of the militia movement. Then he goes and kills 168 people..I call that a RW domestic terrorist.

McVeigh was more like the crazy Jew hater guy, who you know I do not accept was a right winger.

I do not feel they were left wingers either, I think they are in classes all by themselves. Kind of like Islamic Terrorists.

 

[Popeye]

So you're ignoring all of the Left Wing extremists are you? Rather selective reasoning you've got going on there. I wonder if you apply the same "logic" to PETA "domestic terrorists", or Black Panther Party "domestic terrorists", the SLA "domestic terrorists", the Unabomber, Obama's buddy Bill Ayers and the Weathermen, ALF, ELF, Greenpeace, etc., etc., etc.

I'm sure you or others of your dubious ilk will continue to keep us informed on what you consider to be LW "terrorists"

Bit of a stretch don't you think?

How many people have PETA or the ELF killed? The Panthers, Weatherman and the SLA were 40 years ago..and Bill Ayers was never convicted of anything. None of them approach the carnage wrought on this country by McViegh.

RW domestic terrorist Timothy McViegh =168 DEAD.

 

[Bob the Builder]

I'm sure you or others of your dubious ilk will continue to keep us informed on what you consider to be LW "terrorists"

Bit of a stretch don't you think?

How many people have PETA or the ELF killed? The Panthers, Weatherman and the SLA were 40 years ago..and Bill Ayers was never convicted of anything. None of them approach the carnage wrought on this country by McViegh.

RW domestic terrorist Timothy McViegh =168 DEAD.

So why don't you tell us exactly what number of innocent Americans need to die before you consider it to be a "terrorist" incident, and not just a simple case of murder? Your selective "logic" fails to meet the smell test!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I saw the 60 Minutes segment on it, looks like a swell place...I think the murdering right wing extremists, such as Dr Tiller's murderer should be sent there. After all, they are domestic terrorists..aren't they?

You're forgetting.......(per "conservatives") terrorists have super-human powers; turning-invisible, flying & walking-thru-walls.

I'd assume Christian-terrorists have the same powers (ya' know....seeing-as-how God is on their side), except they're on the team that gets halos.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Dr. Tiller's murderer, Scott Roeder, is a right wing domestic terrorist with ties to Operation Rescue, but beyond that he also was connected with a violent right wing extremist group that came to prominence in the 1990s:

Sounds a lot like Timothy McViegh, I suppose in your rather warped logic (no doubt a fan of BillO, Beck and Hannity) you wouldn't classify him as a domestic terrorist either.

No doubt. That'd require Consistancy....the bane of "conservatives", nationwide. ​

 

[Popeye]

So why don't you tell us exactly what number of innocent Americans need to die before you consider it to be a "terrorist" incident, and not just a simple case of murder? Your selective "logic" fails to meet the smell test!

Since when has PETA been classified as a terrorist organization? I don't care what World Nutz Daily or the Free Republic says..Come to think of it..are you a FReeper sent over here just to cause trouble?