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If the offense occurred 1400 years ago then yes, we should forgive. A stead stream of offenses over the past 1400 year period is an entirely different matter.

No, I am not aware of it but anything that ibn al-Arabi wrote is irrelavent to the message of muhammad as he was not born until about 500 years after muhammad's death. Looking at the history of islam, it is also quite clear that whatever piece of wisdom al-Arabi wrote, did not sink into islam.

quote by Ibn al-Araibi Actually I thought Muhammed said he got it from the angel "Jabril" (Gabriel ?) and I thought the Lord was named Allah.
But what does all this show except that you are sure your faith is the true one and his isn't ?

No, he claimed to have been given the revelations by a "nameless" lord. When he finally gets around to introducing this "lord",he identifies the Islamic god as Ar-Rahman. He is a dark and demented spirit, one who spends his days in hell. He deceives men, leads them astray, shackles them, dragging them to their doom. ar-rahman personally participates in hell’s torments, turning men on a spit, tearing them apart, forcing them to eat thorns, pitch, and boiling water. His paradise is a brothel. Its rivers flow with wine, and multiple virgins satiate the carnal desires of the faithful.

The most repetitive message in the qur'an is that if youu reject Muhammad, Muslims will kill you so that his god can roast you alive.

Guessing is always a bad tactic. No. I don't feel the same way about the Hindu faith or the Jewish faith. But then neither of them was fabricated by a man who, when he was fifty, married a six-year-old child. Then he stole his son’s wife. After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them. He tortured his victims to make sure no treasure escaped his grasp. He committed mass murder, He used the sword to force Arabs into submission and used the slave trade to finance Islam. He was more interested in collecting girls and taxes than anything else. He ruled through fear. And his god condoned it all.

Anyone who believes islam is a religion of peace, doesn't know sheep sh*t from wild honey.

Are you going to try and convince me that Hindi is as violent as islam?

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<blockquote data-quote="palerider" data-source="post: 2137" data-attributes="member: 176">If the offense occurred 1400 years ago then yes, we should forgive.&nbsp; A stead stream of offenses over the past 1400 year period is an entirely different matter.No, I am not aware of it but anything that ibn al-Arabi wrote is irrelavent to the message of muhammad as he was not born until about 500 years after muhammad&#039;s death.&nbsp; Looking at the history of islam, it is also quite clear that whatever piece of wisdom al-Arabi wrote, did not sink into islam.quote by Ibn al-Araibi Actually I thought Muhammed said he got it from the angel &quot;Jabril&quot; (Gabriel ?) and I thought the Lord was named Allah.But what does all this show except that you are sure your faith is the true one and his isn&#039;t ?</blockquote>No, he claimed to have been given the revelations by a &quot;nameless&quot; lord.&nbsp; When he finally gets around to introducing this &quot;lord&quot;,he identifies the Islamic god as Ar-Rahman. He is a dark and demented spirit, one who spends his days in hell. He deceives men, leads them astray, shackles them, dragging them to their doom. ar-rahman personally participates in hell’s torments, turning men on a spit, tearing them apart, forcing them to eat thorns, pitch, and boiling water. His paradise is a brothel. Its rivers flow with wine, and multiple virgins satiate the carnal desires of the faithful.The most repetitive message in the qur&#039;an is that if youu reject Muhammad, Muslims will kill you so that his god can roast you alive.Guessing is always a bad tactic.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; I don&#039;t feel the same way about the Hindu faith or the Jewish faith.&nbsp; But then neither of them was fabricated by a man who, when he was fifty, married a six-year-old child. Then he stole his son’s wife. After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them. He tortured his victims to make sure no treasure escaped his grasp. He committed mass murder,&nbsp; He used the sword to force Arabs into submission and used the slave trade to finance Islam. He was more interested in collecting girls and taxes than anything else. He ruled through fear. And his god condoned it all.Anyone who believes islam is a religion of peace, doesn&#039;t know sheep sh*t from wild honey.Are you going to try and convince me that Hindi is as violent as islam?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="palerider, post: 2137, member: 176"] If the offense occurred 1400 years ago then yes, we should forgive. A stead stream of offenses over the past 1400 year period is an entirely different matter. No, I am not aware of it but anything that ibn al-Arabi wrote is irrelavent to the message of muhammad as he was not born until about 500 years after muhammad's death. Looking at the history of islam, it is also quite clear that whatever piece of wisdom al-Arabi wrote, did not sink into islam. quote by Ibn al-Araibi Actually I thought Muhammed said he got it from the angel "Jabril" (Gabriel ?) and I thought the Lord was named Allah. But what does all this show except that you are sure your faith is the true one and his isn't ?[/quote] No, he claimed to have been given the revelations by a "nameless" lord. When he finally gets around to introducing this "lord",he identifies the Islamic god as Ar-Rahman. He is a dark and demented spirit, one who spends his days in hell. He deceives men, leads them astray, shackles them, dragging them to their doom. ar-rahman personally participates in hell’s torments, turning men on a spit, tearing them apart, forcing them to eat thorns, pitch, and boiling water. His paradise is a brothel. Its rivers flow with wine, and multiple virgins satiate the carnal desires of the faithful. The most repetitive message in the qur'an is that if youu reject Muhammad, Muslims will kill you so that his god can roast you alive. Guessing is always a bad tactic. No. I don't feel the same way about the Hindu faith or the Jewish faith. But then neither of them was fabricated by a man who, when he was fifty, married a six-year-old child. Then he stole his son’s wife. After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them. He tortured his victims to make sure no treasure escaped his grasp. He committed mass murder, He used the sword to force Arabs into submission and used the slave trade to finance Islam. He was more interested in collecting girls and taxes than anything else. He ruled through fear. And his god condoned it all. Anyone who believes islam is a religion of peace, doesn't know sheep sh*t from wild honey. Are you going to try and convince me that Hindi is as violent as islam? [/QUOTE]

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