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Hey Andy

Where are you getting all this information about what god does and doesn't do?

Have you got his phone number or something?

Hey Numinus

Where are you getting all this stuff about being saved by grace from?

Did you learn it engineering for idiots?

I think I get what you mean now when you claim to be an engineer

You engineer 'facts' and logical steps when there aren't any to support your ludicrous view that there is a god in heaven who saves us by grace.