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I have explained this a number of times. Apparently, you are just to dumb to understand it.


We know that there is a relationship between cause and effect -- hence causation.


We know that the relationship between cause and effect is defined within the dynamics of deterministic natural law and the undeterministic principle of volition or will. Some people do things simply because they WILL them -- often despite rational principles. So do animals. In fact, even sub-atomic particles are deterministic only up to a certain limit called heisenberg's uncertainty. Beyond that, the probability field of its motion simply becomes indeterminate.


That, in a nutshell, is how the REAL, COMMON-SENSE, MATERIAL WORLD works.


So, going back to your stupid question, where in this dichotomy do we find the cause of sin? It comes from the principle of volition or WILL.


Understand? I very much doubt it but I'm still obliged to ask.




Of course free will was made by god. That is the common-sense meaning of the creator of EVERYTHING IN EVERYTHING, isn't it? Duh?


As for god being responsible to every effect arising from the exercise of free will -- well that is another of your boneheaded claims.


Responsibility, in the truest sense of the word, is one's 'ABILITY TO RESPOND'. One's ability to respond is hinged on one's ability to DISCERN THE LOGICAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CAUSE AND EFFECT AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.


When you do an action using your personal power, and having the ability to discern the consequences of your own actions, whether you choose to discern them or not, MAKES YOU, AND YOU ALONE, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ACTION.


Is that simple enough for you?




As far as anyone is concerned, the only people banging about something coming from nothing are you atheists. The various cosmological arguments clearly demonstrate the illogic of such a thing. And I'm glad you realize the stupidity of such a claim.


So, the atheists got it wrong and the agnostics are simply too dumb to make up their minds.


Capice?


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