More twaddle. Jesus message of love can stand on its own with no reference to ancient goatherders. The fact that there is no dimension of love in the legalistic pharisaic view is totally irrelevant to what most people experience in their day to day lives. If you need pharisaic views to have a dimension of love in your life, then I wish you well, but very few people are so crippled.
Slam a little bit of your vast fund of logic onto that last sentence and see if you can make it say something. Or are you arguing the "many worlds" theory?
Now who's quoting Yoda?
You thought this was impossible, why? I never thought so. Maybe you should not judge others by yourself.
I have shared food with strangers in the middle of nowhere, the people at Woodstock shared not only food, but drugs and sex with strangers. Everytime there is a disaster people share with strangers. If you don't know this and have to have the Church tell you, then you need to get out more.
I don't know that either was a miracle.
It's a total hoax, there have been many saviors who died for humanity's sins down through the ages, it's a common religious concept. Shoot nearly two thirds of humanity believes in reincarnation--which actually makes a lot more logical sense than most things. Death has always been powerless against us, it's only religions who have taught us to be afraid, most indigenous peoples saw death as just another part of life. It's the Day of Judgment and the threats of Hell and Eternal Damnation that terrify people. Your religion tries to frighten people into the fold with horror stories about what their Heavenly Father is going to do to them. It's crap. People do not need to fear God. No one will be lost, there is no Hell, no damnation, no eternal punishment--it's blasphemy to say that God would do those things.
Well, see there, two things we agree on--we're practically soul-mates, Nums.
No one is requiring you to post here, you could stop and just live your faith quietly if you wished. Actually, I've attended most goatherder churches, including the Catholic one.
Post a quote from anyone of your diatribes wherein you talk about Jesus stating the two most important commandments, please. Just discussing the "dimension" of love is hardly adequate since that is little more than a catch phrase used widely and with little agreement as to meaning.
I did actually, but it struck me as being a lot like the works of Thomas Hobbes, a few gems in a mountain of pompous wind-baggery and religious poohbah.
If someone says something that they think is true, something that is true in their experience, is that a lie because you don't agree with it? You are calling me a liar without having walked in my shoes or lived my life--didn't Jesus tell you not to judge others?
In all my hours spent in Christian churches, in all my discussions with my two Bible-beater brothers, in all the posts I have read by self-identified Christians on discussion sites I have NEVER seen or heard anyone quote or post the two most important commandments in the Bible without my mentioning it first. I see the Ten Commandments all the time, I see the scriptures about gay people being abominations, but Jesus' commandments get short shrift.
I am not pretending to criticize, I AM criticizing.
No matter how much I loved, I would not crucify an innocent person.
Total nonsense, there was no reason to have anyone crucified, your idea that we needed to see someone die so we could feel that are sins were paid for is unutterably stupid (in my opinion). I certainly don't feel better about my mistakes because some poor bastard was nailed up to die on a lonely tower.
The gulf between us is bigger than I imagined, Nums, if you actually feel better because of what is alledged to have happened to Jesus. I never in my worst nightmare doubted that my Creator was there for me, nobody has to be nailed up for us to have God's forgiveness--it's always there, always has been, blood payments are a human concept and totally unnecessary for God. God is better than we CAN imagine. If it takes bloody murder to make you think that God still loves and accepts you, then your fear must be terrible--where is your faith in the ultimate goodness of God?
Many of the things are attributed to God in the Bible, for instance He "stirred up" the Medes to commit genocide. It wasn't just the predictions, it was the permission for slavery and the selling of children, the taking of women as spoils of war.
The Bible has blasphemy in it where it says that God did those bad things. You say that men did the bad things, not God, but Dr. Who admits that God did the bad things to make good things happen. You two need to get your story straight.
The only mystery is why Christians would even think that God could be as evil as He is pictured in the Bible.
