How many of our pols would sign this today?

[PLC1]

How many would risk their political careers, let alone their lives, to affirm words like these:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Lives, fortune, and sacred honor were not just words. The signers of the declaration could have lost all three.

We find ourselves faced with a government that keeps growing, keeps getting more expensive, more intrusive, less conforming to the will of the people. In response we divide ourselves into "liberal" and "conservative" camps, with each one thinking we have the answers. But, the fact is that the problem of government can't be defined on the ends of a political spectrum. Both ends are in favor of different kinds of authoritarian ideals, and against a government that is instituted to protect our inalienable rights.

The difference in 1776 was that the government was by a foreign power, while today it is home grown.

Is it any less destructive of the ends of protecting our rights than it was under King George? Is it time to do some abolishing, or at least some altering?

It's high time that we, the people stood up and took control.

Your thoughts?

 

[Gipper]

How many would risk their political careers, let alone their lives, to affirm words like these:





Lives, fortune, and sacred honor were not just words. The signers of the declaration could have lost all three.

We find ourselves faced with a government that keeps growing, keeps getting more expensive, more intrusive, less conforming to the will of the people. In response we divide ourselves into "liberal" and "conservative" camps, with each one thinking we have the answers. But, the fact is that the problem of government can't be defined on the ends of a political spectrum. Both ends are in favor of different kinds of authoritarian ideals, and against a government that is instituted to protect our inalienable rights.

The difference in 1776 was that the government was by a foreign power, while today it is home grown.

Is it any less destructive of the ends of protecting our rights than it was under King George? Is it time to do some abolishing, or at least some altering?

It's high time that we, the people stood up and took control.

Your thoughts?

WTH THC... You post this, but don't know what a liberal is? Come come now.

Liberals do not believe in the Constitution. Do you not know this? They have bastardized it, ignored it, and condemned it for decades. They think it is a "living document' Do you know what they mean by that? I would guess you do not. Let me inform you. They mean it can be whatever the libs want it to mean. This also means, we are not really a constitutional republic, but a tyranny run be elitist liberals.

This is a fine time to continue your education. You see most Conservatives believe the Constitution is to be revered and followed as the Founders intended it be followed. Any changes are subject to the amendment process.

Now do you see the difference between DF liberals and conservatives? Liberals want tyranny and conservatives want liberty.

Liberty or tyranny? Which will it be?

 

[The Scotsman]

We find ourselves faced with a government that keeps growing, keeps getting more expensive, more intrusive, less conforming to the will of the people.

With all due respect thats a load of self-indugent whinning garbage!!!!! There are countries on this earth that would give anything to emulate the freedoms, rights and wealth that you as American citizens enjoy!

You crave some form of political utopia? Some land that agrees with everything you want.........!!!!????? Go to Zimbabwe and moan at how bad it is in America, how nasty and evil your President is, how bad your economy is performing and all those nasty changes to the healthcare system............FFS!!!

 

[Gipper]

With all due respect thats a load of self-indugent whinning garbage!!!!! There are countries on this earth that would give anything to emulate the freedoms, rights and wealth that you as American citizens enjoy!

You crave some form of political utopia? Some land that agrees with everything you want.........!!!!????? Go to Zimbabwe and moan at how bad it is in America, how nasty and evil your President is, how bad your economy is performing and all those nasty changes to the healthcare system............FFS!!!

Yeah I guess we need to just accept mediocrity like the rest of fools around the world.

No way Scotty. You foolish limeys have accepted socialist sh*t, but we Americans (excluding DF libs) strive for something better.

 

[The Scotsman]

Yeah I guess we need to just accept mediocrity like the rest of fools around the world.

.............based on that kind of perspective you don't even deserve mediocrity.

 

[Gipper]

.............based on that kind of perspective you don't even deserve mediocrity.

F the multi culty crowd...Brits included. And throw in political correctness too.

The world is a messed up place and always has been. A few exceptions were the USA and Western Europe primarily due to Christianity and Liberty...both in danger of extinction due to DF liberalism.

But to the DF multi culties, they want all of us to suffer. Its another form of socialism or equality. And, it is a sign of mental illness.

America First and always First. The rest of you worthless foreigners desire what you get.

 

[The Scotsman]

America First and always First. The rest of you worthless foreigners desire what you get.

Whose America? Yours? You demonstrate an interesting if not perochial perspective on American values. The US has upwards of 200,000 troops in A'stan trying to convince a sceptical indigenous population of the benefits of a way of life in the comunity of nations. Somewhat incongrouous to your aspirations for America's place on the international stage.

Do you travel much?

 

[PLC1]

With all due respect thats a load of self-indugent whinning garbage!!!!! There are countries on this earth that would give anything to emulate the freedoms, rights and wealth that you as American citizens enjoy!

You crave some form of political utopia? Some land that agrees with everything you want.........!!!!????? Go to Zimbabwe and moan at how bad it is in America, how nasty and evil your President is, how bad your economy is performing and all those nasty changes to the healthcare system............FFS!!!

Oh, I'm aware that our government is way ahead of that of Zimbabwe. I'm just concerned at the direction it is taking, and has been taking for the past couple of decades. Just how much government is enough, and when does it become inimical to liberty? I think we are approaching that point now, and so it's time to take a look at what government is supposed to be doing.

Say, Gipper, sure, I know what a liberal is to me. I gave my definition here. We have yet to see you define what you mean by that all inclusive term. Right now, I believe you mean "anyone with whom I don't agree politically."

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Oh, I'm aware that our government is way ahead of that of Zimbabwe. I'm just concerned at the direction it is taking, and has been taking for the past couple of decades. Just how much government is enough, and when does it become inimical to liberty? I think we are approaching that point now, and so it's time to take a look at what government is supposed to be doing.

Say, Gipper, sure, I know what a liberal is to me. I gave my definition here. We have yet to see you define what you mean by that all inclusive term. Right now, I believe you mean "anyone with whom I don't agree politically."

I don't agree with Gipper..does that make him the liberal then?

 

[PLC1]

I don't agree with Gipper..does that make him the liberal then?

LOL! You bet. If your definition is the same as his, then he's a liberal.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

LOL! You bet. If your definition is the same as his, then he's a liberal.

no I have some other deffinition, but for this case I will use his lol.

also I think there is Liberal US and Liberal outside the US, and people often fail to understand that you can be liberal, and with a liberal view...have 2 people both not agree on the same issue...people tend to make single issues a liberal or Conservative issue..when often you can get both sides of the issue with both liberal and conservative ideas.

 

[PLC1]

no I have some other deffinition, but for this case I will use his lol.

also I think there is Liberal US and Liberal outside the US, and people often fail to understand that you can be liberal, and with a liberal view...have 2 people both not agree on the same issue...people tend to make single issues a liberal or Conservative issue..when often you can get both sides of the issue with both liberal and conservative ideas.

Exactly. Liberal is one of those political terms for which there is no single definition, and no common understanding of the meaning. It is simplistic and inaccurate to simply label everyone you disagree with as "liberal", or as anything else.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Exactly. Liberal is one of those political terms for which there is no single definition, and no common understanding of the meaning. It is simplistic and inaccurate to simply label everyone you disagree with as "liberal", or as anything else.

besides we all know now if your a liberal, your a socialist or marxist..since liberals started to get a backbone and not take being called a liberal as a insult anymore.

 

[Gipper]

Exactly. Liberal is one of those political terms for which there is no single definition, and no common understanding of the meaning. It is simplistic and inaccurate to simply label everyone you disagree with as "liberal", or as anything else.

I don't label everyone I disagree with as a liberal.

But, you guys are a bunch of liberals.

Why can't you admit it?

 

[The Scotsman]

But, you guys are a bunch of liberals.

Why can't you admit it?

I'm a Scottish Nationalist - screw the English, home rule and sod the rest that kindda thing..... Does that make me a Liberal? Sort of like Che Guevara in a kilt......