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What a copp out! You just want Octoldit to go away before tearing both of your puny arguments into a billion pieces. My whole point is when living in a glass house don't throw stones. All the guilt by association B.S.  directed toward the candidate best able to free this nation from tyranny is like comparing apples with Continents in terms of the evil deeds aligned to Bush, McCain, and all those involved in outrageous criminal activity not only aboard, but right here in the United States of America. Their greed has them working to destry the Constitution.