No more justification for torture

[Mr. Shaman]

define torture please

No prob. You'll have to settle for the 2003-version.

"Says "an official who has supervised the capture and transfer of accused terrorists, 'If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job.' " Another official is quoted: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them." The term for these transfers is "extraordinary renditions." There is, of course, no legal process; and among the foreign intelligence services who lend a brutal hand are those of Jordan, Egypt, and Morocco. At least once, torturers in Syria have been enlisted."

One official directly involved in these "renditions" to foreign torture chambers said in The Washington Post, "I do it . . . with my eyes open." According to the Post, another "Bush administration official said the CIA, in practice, is using a narrow definition of what counts as 'knowing' that a suspect has been tortured. 'If we're not there in the room, who is to say?' said one official conversant with recent reports of renditions."

http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-02-04/news/the-american-way-of-torture/1

2002 - "The US has been secretly sending prisoners suspected of al-Qaida connections to countries where torture during interrogation is legal, according to US diplomatic and intelligence sources. Prisoners moved to such countries as Egypt and Jordan can be subjected to torture and threats to their families to extract information sought by the US in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The normal extradition procedures have been bypassed in the transportation of dozens of prisoners suspected of terrorist connections, according to a report in the Washington Post. The suspects have been taken to countries where the CIA has close ties with the local intelligence services and where torture is permitted."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/mar/12/september11.usa

Whatta grand legacy the Idiot Son has developed, for himself.

 

[GenSeneca]

No prob. You'll have to settle for the 2003-version.

What you have offered is not a "definition" in any sense of the word.

How would you extract information from suspects?

I don't want to hear more about what we SHOULD NOT do - be constructive and offer solutions.

 

[BigRob]

No prob. You'll have to settle for the 2003-version.





Whatta grand legacy the Idiot Son has developed, for himself.

Just so you know, Rendition programs started under Clinton...

 

[Pandora]

No prob. You'll have to settle for the 2003-version.





Whatta grand legacy the Idiot Son has developed, for himself.

If you deny someone sleep and make them keep talking with lights on them for hours on end.....is that torture?

If you threaten them that you will do something if they dont tell you where the bomb or what ever it is you think they are hiding is... is that torture?

I am told by my liberal friends that those are means of torture. But when I ask ok, what would you do. they just complain about what is being done but never say what they would do

 

[BigRob]

If you deny someone sleep and make them keep talking with lights on them for hours on end.....is that torture?

If you threaten them that you will do something if they dont tell you where the bomb or what ever it is you think they are hiding is... is that torture?

I am told by my liberal friends that those are means of torture. But when I ask ok, what would you do. they just complain about what is being done but never say what they would do

What needs to be done is round up every suicide bomber (whatever is left of them), any insurgent that is killed in Iraq, and bury them in a pit of pig's blood.

Unclean Muslims are unable to go to paradise. The British tried this actually many years back and it worked. We should follow their lead.

 

[Pandora]

What needs to be done is round up every suicide bomber (whatever is left of them), any insurgent that is killed in Iraq, and bury them in a pit of pig's blood.

Unclean Muslims are unable to go to paradise. The British tried this actually many years back and it worked. We should follow their lead.

I am sure that would sound like torture to the left, but I agree it would work. I think though it would also make non violent Muslims mad and that would not be good. But just being stronger and refusing to keep taking crap from these crazies would be a start.

I just wish America would get a strong back bone again. Every place I look the men have all morphed into freaking Allan Alda's and Phil Donahue's. More interested in the "feelings" of the terrorist that wants to behead your children than the freakin children. I think they are putting fem hormones in the bottled water or something.

 

[BigRob]

I am sure that would sound like torture to the left, but I agree it would work. I think though it would also make non violent Muslims mad and that would not be good. But just being stronger and refusing to keep taking crap from these crazies would be a start.

It might have that effect. But at the same time I think we need to worry about winning the war, to do that we need to actually do what it takes to win.

If my history serves me correctly, Pershing actually did it as well. Just before World War I, he executed 49 of 50 Muslim extremists in his custody and let the last one go. They were not attacked again.

This was of course all before the Geneva Conventions, however before we decided to ratify Protocol III without signing for the very reason we are now facing, this would continue to be acceptable in times of war.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Anybody hear of SEER?

 

[PLC1]

define torture please

Torture is what the expert says it is.

John McCain is an expert, having experienced it first hand.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Torture is what the expert says it is.

John McCain is an expert, having experienced it first hand.

Then I guess it's a good thing that we haven't been doing to our prisoners what the NVA did to McCain, which means that we haven't been torturing anyone! Thanks for clearing that up for us.

 

[PLC1]

Then I guess it's a good thing that we haven't been doing to our prisoners what the NVA did to McCain, which means that we haven't been torturing anyone! Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Well, McCain said that what we've been doing constitutes torture, and he's the expert, as I've said.

Do you have first hand experience, so you can refute McCain's estimation of what constitutes torture?

I don't, so I won't.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Well, McCain said that what we've been doing constitutes torture, and he's the expert, as I've said.

Do you have first hand experience, so you can refute McCain's estimation of what constitutes torture?

I don't, so I won't.

I went through the predecessor of SEER school, and what they did to us there was FAR worse than anything I've heard of us doing to the terrorists/insurgents (GCIII "unlawful combatants"), so on that point I will take some issue with Sen. McCain.

 

[PLC1]

Anybody hear of SEER?

No, and a google of the term yielded the following:

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Cancer school? Air conditioning? What?

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

OOPS! Sorry, it would appear that I developed a bad case of CRS disease (or dislexic fingers) as far as the acronym, the correct one is S.E.R.E. (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape). It's an advanced survival school for (primarily) training air crews how to survive if they're downed behind enemy lines, and what to expect, and how to deal with it (including torture) if you're captured. They also train Special Forces, Rangers, TACP, CCT, PJ's, Force Recon, SEALS, and a lot of other troops that might find themselves in similar situations.

When I went through (as a fresh, snot nosed 19 year old A1C), it was still primarily an Air Force School (at least in my class, we only had one Army guy), but they were running classes through of all Army, Navy, and Marine air crew members, as well as special operations people. I understand that today, each of the services has it's own schools, and it's own training regiment specialized around their missions.