Obama announces that insurance co's, not churches, must pay for contraceptives

[Little-Acorn]

Apparently a little while ago the Obama admin announced that health care providers would have to provide free contraceptives etc. for women who wanted them. This didn't go over well with some, particularly hospitals etc. run by Catholic churches, who have always disapproved of contraception, morning-after pills etc.

So today I heard Obama go on the air and announce that he had changed his mind: now insurance companies, not hospitals (at least Catholic ones) would be required to pay for the contraceptives.
I had to do a double-take.

Could somebody explain to me where the President gets the authority to simply command that a certain groups must pay for something, and Bingo, they have to do it?

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I just caught a little bit of the announcement, and maybe I'm missing something here (wouldn't be the first time :-/ )

But suppose that, instead of announcing that insurance companies had to pay for them, what if he had anounced instead that Little-Acorn, that guy with the computer in San Diego, had to pay for them?

Would I have no alternative? I would have to pay for them?

What's the difference between Obama ordering insurance companies to pay, and Obama ordering private individual(s) to pay?

If Congress, in its legislative majesty, had written up, discussed, and passed a bill saying XXX company (or Little-Acorn) had to pay. They vote on it, pass it, and send it to the President, who signs it.

Isn't that called a Bill of Attainder? Which is flatly banned in the Constitution?

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As far as I know, Congress can't do that. So how on Earth can one man (the President) do it? Just order some person or group to pay for something?

I can see where a King might have the power to do that, in countries that have Kings.

Do we have one?

 

[dogtowner]

It was one of those things vaguely put in Obamacare and recently decreed by the director.
So Congress did pass it. Whether they have the authority is very questionable without repealing older legislation specifically keeping the feds out of that sort of thing. Its one of many provisions that hithertofore were established by the several states to accommodate vote buying at that level. (Thats why its 3 times more expensive to obtain a basic policy for a family of four in NY as opposed to WI. Fare more mandated coverages.)

 

[Little-Acorn]

It was one of those things vaguely put in Obamacare and recently decreed by the director.
So Congress did pass it.

The question remains.

 

[dogtowner]

The question remains.

There are many aspects of obamacare that are problematic.

 

[steveox]

What we Have here,,Is a failure to communicate,, Obama wil only listens to the left. The Left was getting upset on making churches have to pay for heathcare. So Obama changed his mind.

 

[dogtowner]

What we Have here,,Is a failure to communicate,, Obama wil only listens to the left. The Left was getting upset on making churches have to pay for heathcare. So Obama changed his mind.

big bloc of voters cranked up as it changed nothing relevant to the problem.

 

[Openmind]

Obama made a great move there. Birth control is used by an overwhelming majority of women, and their male partners are more than happy they use birth control. . .so it probably influences 85% of people in within child bearing age, but also the parents of those younger child bearing age women, and even the older women who no longer need to use contraception, but KNOW the benefits of it!

The fact that the Catholic Church doesn't want its employees to have access to free birth control can (MAYBE) be argued as "a freedom of religion" argument. . .although it is a fake one as even a majority of Catholic women use birth control. But it can also be argued that the Catholic Church is taking away their employees' FREEDOM of choice to use or not to use contraception.

It is a fact that the mandate to cover birth control didn't FORCE anyone to use birth control. . . it just gave them the choice to access birth control for free. . .

Now, this "adjustment" made by Obama not only takes away the "freedom of religion" argument against that mandate, it also protect the right of women (including, but not limited to Catholic women) to use or not to use contraception.

And, health care insurance are relieved because it is obviously a LOT cheaper to provide free birth control than it does to cover pre-natal care, delivery (especially cesarian delivery) and post natal care.

By the way. . .birth control pills cost about $30.00 per month. . .Viagra cost about $10.00 for each little blue pill . . .and an average is 6 of those pills a month.

Yet, the Catholic church is perfectly happy (doesn't see any "moral" reason not to do it) for their employees insurance to cover the Viagra. . .even if it leads to more promiscuity, even if it leads to more (some unwanted) pregnancies, even if it may lead to more rape or molestation. . .and it costs MORE than birth control pills!

This all issue is kind of a moot point, that has been blown out of proportion by the Right in order to bash Obama. And Obama, very cleverly, has turned it to his advantage because the GOP candidates have made so many stupid remarks that have basically set them as opponent of birth control all together. . .which goes totally against the majority of the reality that people experience in their life!

Well done again, Mr. President!

 

[Little-Acorn]

Could somebody explain to me where the President gets the authority to simply command that a certain group must pay for something, and Bingo, they have to do it?

 

[Gipper]

Could somebody explain to me where the President gets the authority to simply command that a certain group must pay for something, and Bingo, they have to do it?

Sadly we have been on the road to tyranny for some time.

The POTUS is becoming a dictator...and BO fits the bill very well. The Constitution has become a quaint little thing to be ignored.

This act by BO is a perfect example of what the Right has been complaining about for years. American freedom is gradually but steadily, being eliminated as the statists expand the power of the central government.

What many fail to understand, is freedom is an anomaly in the history of human endeavors. Tyranny is the usual existence for nearly all humans. Throughout all of history, few have been fortunate to have freedom. The elite Left wants to take us back to the Dark Ages when kings and queens could do as they wish and the rest of us are lowly peasants with no rights.

 

[Alias]

Joe Wilson was right. Obama is a liar.

 

[steveox]

Like Glenn Beck said,,,, Someday America will get a dictator. Hes right though.

 

[Openmind]

Joe Wilson was right. Obama is a liar.

Link?

 

[Gipper]

Link?

Obama lies just about every time he opens his mouth, but you are incapable of recognizing it due to your "condition."

President Obama is becoming a veritable Pinocchio by stretching the truth on a regular basis. Here are the Top 10 ​

Obama Lies​

.​

1. Americans want higher taxes:​

During the debate over raising the debt ceiling, President Obama said that 80% of Americans support including higher taxes as part of the deal. But a Rasmussen poll taken the same week showed that only 34% believe a tax hike should be included in a debt-ceiling agreement.​

2. Mother denied health insurance:​

During his presidential campaign, Obama said that his mother died of cancer after being denied coverage for a preexisting condition. He used her image in a campaign ad, repeated the claim in debates, and used the same rhetoric as President when he tried to sell ObamaCare to the American people. But a new book by New York ​

Times ​

reporter Janny Scott says that Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, had health insurance through her employer and was only denied disability insurance.​

3. Tax restraint for middle and lower class:​

Obama pledged during his campaign and throughout his presidency not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000. But ObamaCare’s individual mandate will hit many under the $250,000 mark. (Obama’s own Justice Department said the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, when it argued its constitutionality.) Not to mention a higher federal cigarette tax and countless other “fees” in the health care law that hit the middle and lower class.​

4. Shovel-ready jobs:​

When Obama was selling his $787 billion stimulus package, he consistently bragged about how shovel-ready construction jobs would be funded across the nation. Even the President later admitted that was a lie, when he told the New York ​

Times​

: “There’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”​

5. Keep your doctor:​

President Obama repeatedly pledged that under his health care measure, Americans would be able to keep their doctors. However, with rising costs, many employers will dump their health care plans and force workers into the state health care exchanges (unless you belong to one of the unions getting ObamaCare waivers.) A survey by McKinsey & Company found that more than 30% of companies will discontinue coverage for their workers.​

6. No lobbyists:​

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said: “We have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. … I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won't find a job in my White House.” At least a dozen former lobbyists got top jobs in his administration at the beginning of his presidency, according to ​

Politico​

, and National Public Radio reported the Obama administration was granting waivers to lobbyists to circumvent the ban.​

7. Foreign money in campaigns:​

During his 2010 State of the Union address, and again during the 2010 midterm elections, Obama railed against foreign money influencing U.S. elections. The only problem was that there was no evidence to support the charge or, as Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, in the State of the Union audience, silently mouthed, “Not true.”​

8. Arizona immigration law:​

During the battle over Arizona’s immigration law, President Obama said: “Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.” Uh, actually, Mr. President, it couldn’t. The law would allow law enforcement officials to inquire about immigration status only when there is suspicion of a crime being committed.​

9. Transparency:​

Obama pledged that transparency would be a top priority, but his administration refused to grant one-third of the Freedom of Information Act requests, according to an Associated Press analysis. He also was dishonest about transparency when he said that health-care negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and that he would wait five days to sign a bill so people would have a chance to read it online.​

10. Constitutional oath:​

During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.​

 

[Gipper]