Obama: "Back to 1967 borders." Netanyahu: "Indefensible. Not going to happen."

Here's a little history for you. I'm not going to provide a bunch of links to all of the atrocities that Stalin committed against Jews, because you will just ignore them, but here is a taste of what I found:

Between 1948 and 1952 thousands of Jewish intellectuals, scientists, political leaders, state security personnel, and other professionals were arrested, interrogated, imprisoned, or discharged from their duties. In July 1951 Stalin ordered an inquiry into corruption and mismanagement in the MGB, resulting in the expulsion of many leading personnel, most of whom were Jewish. Stalin ordered the arrest of all Jewish colonels and generals in the MGB, and a total of some 50 senior officers and generals were taken in to custody.

Jonathan Brent is a an anti-communist shill.

"...he editors of this book have cherry picked and interpreted Russian documents to allege 1) that the "Communist Party of the United States of America was a conspiracy financed by a hostile foreign power that recruited members for clandestine work, developed an elaborate underground apparatus and used that apparatus to collaborate with espionage services of that power"; and 2) that a number of individuals lied about their affiliation and connection with the CPUSA or their activities as intelligence agents.

The evidence, however, is not convincing, to say nothing of a court of law. The editors deny that they are making a case that every U.S. Communist was disloyal. But this rings hollow because they frequently engage in the tactic of guilt by association. They exaggerate the extent and depth of communist penetration into government and they maintain that Russia was a hostile country throughout the period 1932-45. But it hardly needs to be pointed out that there were no hostilities, but rather from 1941-45 a wartime alliance between Russia and the United States.

The conclusion that the CPUSA was a proxy of Russia fails to account for the pre-1918 socialist movement in the United States out of which the CPUSA was born. Indeed, virtually every member of the newly formed CPUSA had been a member of Eugene Debs's Socialist Party long before the Russian Revolution. More significantly, the CPUSA exists today in the absence of foreign funding and remains as influential as during the Cold War. Even if the argument concerning the dependence of the CPUSA on Russia is to be accepted, then it would only be consistent to scrutinize countless political organizations used throughout the world by the CIA to subvert the politics of countries around the world e.g. the Contras, Jonas Savimbi, General Pinochet, Ahmad Shah Massoud, and the many thousands of puppet NGOs. Such a lack of consistency on the part of the editors reduces their book to a mindless polemic.

This book is unsound because of its accusatory tone, the use of innuendo and the stretching of thin evidence. Hungarian-born communist J.Peters who was a key figure in the clandestine activities of the CPUSA and who played an important part in Whittaker Chambers' testimony against Hiss, has a peculiar biography for a man of his alleged importance to the Comintern. According to a secret report, the Comintern had no knowledge of the whereabouts of Peters from 1933-35, nor for the period 1941-47, that is during the most crucial period, if we are to believe the editors, for communist espionage in the U.S. Some agent! Some conspiracy!

On the issue of atomic spies, the real impact was made by Klaus Fuchs. The role of American communists was marginal. But to suggest that the development of Russia's nuclear program was owed mostly due to its intelligence service is dishonest. The British scientists who participated in the Manhattan Project returned to England in 1946. They knew more than Russian intelligence officers did. Yet England created its first atomic bomb only in 1952, while Igor Kurchatov did that in 1949.

Characteristic of the editors' tendency to exaggerate consequences is their conclusion that the Russian explosion of a "nuclear bomb" in 1949 meant that the US "now faced an enemy led by a ruthless dictator who could wipe out any American city with a single bomb." Of course, Russia had no way of delivering its bomb to "any American city" until well after Stalin's death. The editors do not even entertain the Russian perspective on the factors that necessitated the pursuit for the development of an atomic bomb. In August 1945, two atomic bombs with a power of about 20 kilotons were dropped on Japanese cities. The explosions caused enormous civilian casualties (more than 200,000 dead) and colossal destruction. The use of nuclear weapons was not prompted by any military necessity. The ruling circles of the United States were pursuing political goals of demonstrating their own force to terrify peace-loving peoples and to instill fear in Russia. In August 1949 Russia tested its own atomic devise, which led to the end of any possibility of atomic blackmail against Russia. That Russia was able to achieve nuclear parity allowed the world to avert a global nuclear catastrophe.

This book is not at all about history. It is part of a continued effort on the part of the most reactionary right-wing circles to win the history of the Cold War, at home as well as abroad. Similar to Christopher Andrews' "The Mitrokhin Archive", this book is meant to hold our attention on the communist enemy and to distract from more significant issues facing the world.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I21VYFFJO9U5/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3I21VYFFJO9U5

Avoid

Comrade Stalin
 
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This book is not at all about history. It is part of a continued effort on the part of the most reactionary right-wing circles to win the history of the Cold War, at home as well as abroad. Similar to Christopher Andrews' "The Mitrokhin Archive", this book is meant to hold our attention on the communist enemy and to distract from more significant issues facing the world.
Sounds very similar to the disinformation being put out regarding the Palestinians and the Israelis.
  • We can never allow a repeat of the Holocaust.
  • We can never have a defensible country with the pre-1967 borders.
  • God gave us this land 4000 years ago.

Who can argue with God? :rolleyes:
 
Jonathan Brent is a an anti-communist shill.

"...he editors of this book have cherry picked and interpreted Russian documents to allege 1) that the "Communist Party of the United States of America was a conspiracy financed by a hostile foreign power that recruited members for clandestine work, developed an elaborate underground apparatus and used that apparatus to collaborate with espionage services of that power"; and 2) that a number of individuals lied about their affiliation and connection with the CPUSA or their activities as intelligence agents.

The evidence, however, is not convincing, to say nothing of a court of law. The editors deny that they are making a case that every U.S. Communist was disloyal. But this rings hollow because they frequently engage in the tactic of guilt by association. They exaggerate the extent and depth of communist penetration into government and they maintain that Russia was a hostile country throughout the period 1932-45. But it hardly needs to be pointed out that there were no hostilities, but rather from 1941-45 a wartime alliance between Russia and the United States.

The conclusion that the CPUSA was a proxy of Russia fails to account for the pre-1918 socialist movement in the United States out of which the CPUSA was born. Indeed, virtually every member of the newly formed CPUSA had been a member of Eugene Debs's Socialist Party long before the Russian Revolution. More significantly, the CPUSA exists today in the absence of foreign funding and remains as influential as during the Cold War. Even if the argument concerning the dependence of the CPUSA on Russia is to be accepted, then it would only be consistent to scrutinize countless political organizations used throughout the world by the CIA to subvert the politics of countries around the world e.g. the Contras, Jonas Savimbi, General Pinochet, Ahmad Shah Massoud, and the many thousands of puppet NGOs. Such a lack of consistency on the part of the editors reduces their book to a mindless polemic.

This book is unsound because of its accusatory tone, the use of innuendo and the stretching of thin evidence. Hungarian-born communist J.Peters who was a key figure in the clandestine activities of the CPUSA and who played an important part in Whittaker Chambers' testimony against Hiss, has a peculiar biography for a man of his alleged importance to the Comintern. According to a secret report, the Comintern had no knowledge of the whereabouts of Peters from 1933-35, nor for the period 1941-47, that is during the most crucial period, if we are to believe the editors, for communist espionage in the U.S. Some agent! Some conspiracy!

On the issue of atomic spies, the real impact was made by Klaus Fuchs. The role of American communists was marginal. But to suggest that the development of Russia's nuclear program was owed mostly due to its intelligence service is dishonest. The British scientists who participated in the Manhattan Project returned to England in 1946. They knew more than Russian intelligence officers did. Yet England created its first atomic bomb only in 1952, while Igor Kurchatov did that in 1949.

Characteristic of the editors' tendency to exaggerate consequences is their conclusion that the Russian explosion of a "nuclear bomb" in 1949 meant that the US "now faced an enemy led by a ruthless dictator who could wipe out any American city with a single bomb." Of course, Russia had no way of delivering its bomb to "any American city" until well after Stalin's death. The editors do not even entertain the Russian perspective on the factors that necessitated the pursuit for the development of an atomic bomb. In August 1945, two atomic bombs with a power of about 20 kilotons were dropped on Japanese cities. The explosions caused enormous civilian casualties (more than 200,000 dead) and colossal destruction. The use of nuclear weapons was not prompted by any military necessity. The ruling circles of the United States were pursuing political goals of demonstrating their own force to terrify peace-loving peoples and to instill fear in Russia. In August 1949 Russia tested its own atomic devise, which led to the end of any possibility of atomic blackmail against Russia. That Russia was able to achieve nuclear parity allowed the world to avert a global nuclear catastrophe.

This book is not at all about history. It is part of a continued effort on the part of the most reactionary right-wing circles to win the history of the Cold War, at home as well as abroad. Similar to Christopher Andrews' "The Mitrokhin Archive", this book is meant to hold our attention on the communist enemy and to distract from more significant issues facing the world.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I21VYFFJO9U5/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3I21VYFFJO9U5

Avoid

Comrade Stalin

You got me, Stalin. How can I compete with an Amazon book review by some person named "Eric Boxtel"? After all, "Eric Boxtel" received 1 out of 5 stars, and 3 out of 22 people found his review "helpful". :eek::rolleyes:

Keep trying, commie-man.
 
Sounds very similar to the disinformation being put out regarding the Palestinians and the Israelis.
  • We can never allow a repeat of the Holocaust.
  • We can never have a defensible country with the pre-1967 borders.
  • God gave us this land 4000 years ago.

Who can argue with God? :rolleyes:

And yet

1) Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in the world.

2) The 1967 borders were defended in 1967

3) No god ever gave anybody any land, especially in the Levant. It's history is one of conquest.

Comrade Stalin
 
And yet

1) Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in the world.

2) The 1967 borders were defended in 1967

3) No god ever gave anybody any land, especially in the Levant. It's history is one of conquest.

And how exactly do the Palestinians threaten a new Holocaust by killing another 6 million Jews?
 
And yet

1) Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in the world.

2) The 1967 borders were defended in 1967

3) No god ever gave anybody any land, especially in the Levant. It's history is one of conquest.

Comrade Stalin

Why do you care about concentration camps?

Your idol was very successful using concentration camps. Gaza is not one, but you are a hypocrite for condemning Israel when your idol used hundreds of concentration camps resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent people.

Oh I see, its okay when used to promote Communism.

The ends justify the means...RIGHT?
 
Why do you care about concentration camps?

Your idol was very successful using concentration camps. Gaza is not one, but you are a hypocrite for condemning Israel when your idol used hundreds of concentration camps resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent people.

Oh I see, its okay when used to promote Communism.

The ends justify the means...RIGHT?

I do wish you would resort to scholarship and intelligence instead of slogans and soundbytes.

Joseph Stalin supported the creation of Israel.

"..Why Stalin midwifed the birth of Israel

It's generally forgotten today that the Soviet Union played a key role in the birth of the state of Israel, by supporting the partition of Palestine and lending the Jewish state military and political support during the War of Independence. This policy represented a startling reversal of the Soviet Union's previous hardline stand against Zionism (which had been based on the notion that Zionism was a form of Western imperialism), and, not unlike the Hitler-Stalin pact, caused considerable upheaval within the Communist world. Why did Stalin so dramatically change course? As explained in this fascinating excerpt from an article by an anti-Zionist Marxist, it had nothing to do with any belief in the Zionist cause, but with the Soviets' geopolitical aim to push Britain out of the Mideast while preventing the United States from replacing Britain as the dominant power there:

Probably the essential aim of Soviet foreign policy was to support Israel’s struggle against British imperialism. Moscow hoped to boot the United Kingdom out of Palestine by backing the partition plan while seeking to prevent the USA from actively entering the area at Attlee’s request. It was probably hoped that the small Jewish state would choose to be neutral and perhaps even afford a foothold in the Middle East to the USSR – the Kremlin may have cherished some illusions about the “progressive” inclinations of the Israeli leaders. In any case, the Soviet Union strongly opposed any attempt to prolong the British mandate or to institute a trusteeship which would have been placed in the hands of the Western states.

One fact alone demonstrates that the Russian position, rather than being inspired by any sort of sympathy for Zionism, simply expressed Stalin’s desire to contribute to the collapse of the British Empire: Moscow also sent arms to Syria, which was at war with Israel at the time. [62] Moreover, the USSR refused to recognise Transjordan’s territorial conquests in Palestine, considering that the Hashemite state was no more than a cover for the maintenance of the British presence.

The unconditionally pro-Israeli position of the Soviet Union in 1947 was therefore part of a general opportunist line and undoubtedly revealed an underestimation of the ties between the Zionist leaders and the United States. It was followed blindly by the local Communist Parties, which discredited the Arab Communists among the masses. All the more so in that the Kremlin, with characteristic Stalinist cynicism, totally disregarded the interests of the Arab liberation movement. Thus the Soviet delegate Jacob Malik, speaking in the Security Council on March 4th, 1949 (in the debate on Israel’s admission to the United Nations), flatly denied Israel’s responsibility for the tragedy of the refugees. It has to be said in this respect that the USSR was not content with noting the practical impossibility of Arab-Jewish coexistence in 1947-48 in the framework of a Palestinian state. It chose, in the words of Boris Eliacheff, the role of “Israel’s godmother”, with everything such a policy implies ...

I publish this information because it shows how, just as the independence of the United States was made possible by the help of the kingdom of France, a power that for ideological reasons should have totally opposed an American republic, the birth of the Jewish state was made possible by a Communist power which should have totally opposed the appearance of a Western-style democracy in the Mideast. This wholly unpredictable and unexpected turn of events suggests that the birth of the state of Israel was as providential as that of the United States.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001808.html

Did Comrade Stalin do the right thing ??

Comrade Stalin
 
I can read the writing on the wall pretty clearly. Nothing is going to bring peace between Israel and Palestine in the foreseeable future. They are impossibly deadlocked.

Israel is certainly strong enough to defend itself, by itself. The prudent course of action for the US is to simply draw back and away from the whole mess. Stop sending money, stop our diplomatic visibility and stop trying to be the superpower that thinks it can solve that problem. We cannot, and nothing can be gained by letting Netenyatu give speeches in front if Congress, like we support Israel 100% in everything they do.

Whatever purpose the serve they claim to serve in the Middle East, they can continue to do by themselves. It is quite clear anything the US suggests will never cause Israel to move from their present position.

They may claim to be a secular democracy, but I can't think of another nation that was set up as a homeland for one religious group. Defending any country for the purpose of maintaining the religious of one religious group is against America's basic principle of freedom of religion. In fact we are supporting many Arab countries right now because they are trying to become more secular.

Keeping Israel as an ally kind of reminds me of China who keeps North Korea as a ally. Kind of like inviting the alcoholic uncle to Thanksgiving dinner - everybody in the family dreads it!
 
I can read the writing on the wall pretty clearly. Nothing is going to bring peace between Israel and Palestine in the foreseeable future. They are impossibly deadlocked.

Israel is certainly strong enough to defend itself, by itself. The prudent course of action for the US is to simply draw back and away from the whole mess. Stop sending money, stop our diplomatic visibility and stop trying to be the superpower that thinks it can solve that problem. We cannot, and nothing can be gained by letting Netenyatu give speeches in front if Congress, like we support Israel 100% in everything they do.

Whatever purpose the serve they claim to serve in the Middle East, they can continue to do by themselves. It is quite clear anything the US suggests will never cause Israel to move from their present position.

They may claim to be a secular democracy, but I can't think of another nation that was set up as a homeland for one religious group. Defending any country for the purpose of maintaining the religious of one religious group is against America's basic principle of freedom of religion. In fact we are supporting many Arab countries right now because they are trying to become more secular.

Keeping Israel as an ally kind of reminds me of China who keeps North Korea as a ally. Kind of like inviting the alcoholic uncle to Thanksgiving dinner - everybody in the family dreads it!

To put this into perspective, the United States accumulates more debt PER DAY ($3.5 billion) that what it gives to Israel in foreign aid per YEAR ($3 billion per year).

Is the "drop in the bucket" that we give Israel really worth pulling off the table? Is it a smart move to leave Israel high and dry?
 
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And yet

1) Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in the world.

Not!!!

Do you really expect us to believe that large area of land with ocean views, no fences and no guards is a concentration camp.

Here is a link to pictures of gaza:
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&h...&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=port+gaza&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

I see hundreds of ships and luxury skyscrapers and resorts...

The only thing keeping the people of Gaza from being happier and more productive than they are is the people of Gaza.
 
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