Priorities for the GOP after the obamanistas are given the bum's rush in 2012

[Rick]

For starters:

- Overturn obamacare and institute real healthcare reform.

- Cut spending by at least 10%.

- Aghanistan: winning strategy or leave.

- Rein in the EPA and restore it to it's original mission.

- REAL immigration reform: Institute BIG penalties for scofflaw employers of illegal aliens. Cut off various kinds of federal government money to "sanctuary cities". Create national ID based on biometrics that must be used by everyone to get or keep a job. Challenege erroneous hundred year USSC ruling establishing anchor babies as citizens.

- Means test social security.

- New civil rights law illegalizing racial discrimination in entities like universities which accept federal aid.

- Begin a new generation of safe nuclear power plants for energy independence.

- Fire the top management at PBS, and institute new organization and management to ensure political neutrality.

 

[PLC1]

The above are Ricks priorities for the Republicans (if and ) when they regain power in 2012.

What they actually will do, based on past performance, is politics as usual, deficit spending, ignore health care, cut taxes and increase the deficit, sweep illegal immigration under the rug, allow the big banks and corporations to run their businesses into the ground, and then bail them out, and, if we're really lucky, start yet another war.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

The above are Ricks priorities for the Republicans (if and ) when they regain power in 2012.

What they actually will do, based on past performance, is politics as usual, deficit spending, ignore health care, cut taxes and increase the deficit, sweep illegal immigration under the rug, allow the big banks and corporations to run their businesses into the ground, and then bail them out, and, if we're really lucky, start yet another war.

if we have to have a new war, can we make it a cool one, like Canada? I could be on the front lines and report back for you all...

 

[Rick]

The above are Ricks priorities for the Republicans (if and ) when they regain power in 2012.

What they actually will do, based on past performance, is politics as usual, deficit spending, ignore health care, cut taxes and increase the deficit, sweep illegal immigration under the rug, allow the big banks and corporations to run their businesses into the ground, and then bail them out, and, if we're really lucky, start yet another war.

Past performance is RINO performance, and some of the RINOs have already been swept out in primaries. It's not true that even the RINOs "ignored" health care - some (admittedly inadequate) RINO initiatives, eg regarding health savings accounts, were just stopped by leftwing congressional majorities. As for increasing the deficit, nobody in US history could be worse than obozo - anyone else will necessarily be an improvement. Same with the illegal alien invasion. The rest of your ppost is just mindless cant of the most stupid kind.

 

[Gipper]

The above are Ricks priorities for the Republicans (if and ) when they regain power in 2012.

What they actually will do, based on past performance, is politics as usual, deficit spending, ignore health care, cut taxes and increase the deficit, sweep illegal immigration under the rug, allow the big banks and corporations to run their businesses into the ground, and then bail them out, and, if we're really lucky, start yet another war.

Maybe, but the Rs did get close of a balance budget in the 90s. So, your conclusion based on past performance is flawed.

But if you are right, then we as a nation are in big trouble. We know the Ds have no intention of fixing the problems...they just make things worse. If the Rs don't fix it, then the nation is bankrupt and Great Depression II is coming.

Trillion dollar ANNUAL deficits are unsustainable. Will a liberal like you agree with that statement? Or, do you think taxing the rich is the answer?

 

[PLC1]

Maybe, but the Rs did get close of a balance budget in the 90s. So, your conclusion based on past performance is flawed.

But if you are right, then we as a nation are in big trouble. We know the Ds have no intention of fixing the problems...they just make things worse. If the Rs don't fix it, then the nation is bankrupt and Great Depression II is coming.

Trillion dollar ANNUAL deficits are unsustainable. Will a liberal like you agree with that statement? Or, do you think taxing the rich is the answer?

We libs understand that the Democratic Party isn't going to fix the problems, but then neither are the Republicans. Yes, trillion dollar annual deficits are unsustainable.

Taxing the rich is a popular option among the not so rich, for obvious reasons, as is the silly idea that reducing taxes will actually increase government revenues.

Neither tax increases nor spending cuts are popular, but they are necessary.

 

[PLC1]

Past performance is RINO performance, and some of the RINOs have already been swept out in primaries. It's not true that even the RINOs "ignored" health care - some (admittedly inadequate) RINO initiatives, eg regarding health savings accounts, were just stopped by leftwing congressional majorities. As for increasing the deficit, nobody in US history could be worse than obozo - anyone else will necessarily be an improvement. Same with the illegal alien invasion. The rest of your ppost is just mindless cant of the most stupid kind.

Now, that's an interesting revision of history. Do you believe in the mutability of the past?

Or can you cite just what the Republican Party did to reform health care when they had a majority in both houses of Congress as well as a Republican in the White House for six years?

As for my "mindless cant of the most stupid kind", which was to wit:

cut taxes and increase the deficit,

Are you going to say that didn't happen under the Bush Whitehouse and Republican majority?

sweep illegal immigration under the rug,

Well, McCain did propose amnesty.

allow the big banks and corporations to run their businesses into the ground, and then bail them out,

Once again, a simple description of what happened during the Bush years.

and, if we're really lucky, start yet another war.

That's just what we need, isn't it, another war? Perhaps we could invade Iran this time, or maybe North Korea. There are a lot of candidates for invasion.

sure, the Republican Party is likely to gain seats this time around. It is certainly not inconceivable that they will once again retain the power in Congress and the White House fairly soon. Why, though, would we expect them to be different this time around than they were during the Bush years?

More politics as usual, and blame "liberals" for the results. That's my prediction.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Never has some many, fought among themselve, only to accomplish so little for the people.

Jeffrey Pelt: Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But it also means I keep my options open.

(COMMENT)

If we don't stop arguing about it and get this nation back on its feet, we're all going to be in trouble.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Gipper]

We libs understand that the Democratic Party isn't going to fix the problems, but then neither are the Republicans. Yes, trillion dollar annual deficits are unsustainable.

Taxing the rich is a popular option among the not so rich, for obvious reasons, as is the silly idea that reducing taxes will actually increase government revenues.

Neither tax increases nor spending cuts are popular, but they are necessary.

I am not rich, but unlike DF libs I do not believe in raising taxes on the rich. Its really just plain commonsense (something libs lack...they think with their heart or their genitals). If you raise their taxes as BO and Dems are doing, you slow productivity. Hence...our lasting recession.

The answer is really simple...but libs can't see it...just reduce taxes and reduce regulations and reduce government spending and dump Obummercare...

and BANG...

you will have a growing economy with growing tax revenues to the US Treasury.

Americans of all classes are workers. But, if you saddle them with growing liberalism, you kill that work ethic and you kill America.

 

[Rick]

Now, that's an interesting revision of history. Do you believe in the mutability of the past?

Or can you cite just what the Republican Party did to reform health care when they had a majority in both houses of Congress as well as a Republican in the White House for six years?

Eg, the Medicare Act of 2003.

It's true that the GOP didn't do a fundamental reform and should have, but it's fatuous to believe they won't do it now as part and parcel of unwinding obozo's march to socialization, with it's inevitable implementation of rationing and death panels, as in the UK's NHS, if it is not stopped.

Among the many reforms proposed by conservatives to implement healthcare reform without the ham-handed stupidity of socialism are:

- Ending medicare and medicaid fraud, which is gigantic.
- Ending state barriers against interstate competition of insurance companies.
- Expelling the illegal alien invaders who have massively looted the system.
- Ending the anchor baby scam.
- Ending employer-provided insurance, the root of much high cost.
- Ending the looting of US phamaceutical intellectual property by foreign countries.
- Ending state non-disease mandates on insurance companies for such as
pregnancy and abortion.
- Speeding up the antiquated processes for drug approval at the FDA.
- Ending lawyer predation on the system with tort law reform.

 

[PLC1]

Eg, the Medicare Act of 2003.

It's true that the GOP didn't do a fundamental reform and should have, but it's fatuous to believe they won't do it now as part and parcel of unwinding obozo's march to socialization, with it's inevitable implementation of rationing and death panels, as in the UK's NHS, if it is not stopped.

Among the many reforms proposed by conservatives to implement healthcare reform without the ham-handed stupidity of socialism are:

- Ending medicare and medicaid fraud, which is gigantic.
- Ending state barriers against interstate competition of insurance companies.
- Expelling the illegal alien invaders who have massively looted the system.
- Ending the anchor baby scam.
- Ending employer-provided insurance, the root of much high cost.
- Ending the looting of US phamaceutical intellectual property by foreign countries.
- Ending state non-disease mandates on insurance companies for such as
pregnancy and abortion.
- Speeding up the antiquated processes for drug approval at the FDA.
- Ending lawyer predation on the system with tort law reform.

Now, you're comparing apples to road apples. On the one hand, we're talking about what Republicans did when in power. There is no need for speculation there, as we have a record. On the other, you're listing things that conservatives have proposed. Since Republicans and conservatives are two different things, and since there aren't enough of the latter in Washington to make good on any proposals, what we're left with is a list of ideas that are unlikely to ever see the light of day.

Now, if Republicans get in power again, which is likely, then we can speculate that they will really be conservatives this time around and will actually enact some of those ideas. Maybe, against all odds, we will see some real health care reform that will rein in costs. Perhaps we'll see a balanced budget. There is a remote possibility that illegal immigration will cease to be a problem. There is a remote possibility that other conservative measures will be enacted.

But, being the cynic, I'm betting against any of that happening. My money is on the Republican Party doing exactly what they did the last time they were in power. Past performance is, after all, the best predictor of future actions.

 

[Rick]

Now, you're comparing apples to road apples. On the one hand, we're talking about what Republicans did when in power.

No, actually YOU are, diverging from the thread topic. But keep talking to yourself if you want.

There is no need for speculation there, as we have a record. On the other, you're listing things that conservatives have proposed. Since Republicans and conservatives are two different things, and since there aren't enough of the latter in Washington to make good on any proposals, what we're left with is a list of ideas that are unlikely to ever see the light of day.

False. The conservatives have been in the ascendancy twice in the last 30 years - once when Reagan got the presidency, and also the conservative backbencher revolt in the early nineties in congress. Much depends on how many conservatives can be elected, still an open question, plus the growing influence of conservatives and the diminishing reputation of RINOs. Everything is not static in politics.

 

[PLC1]

No, actually YOU are, diverging from the thread topic. But keep talking to yourself if you want.

Oh, my bad. We weren't talking about anything that is at all likely to happen, but about what we'd like for Republicans to do when they get back into power.

I did inject some reality into the little fantasy flight, didn't I?

False. The conservatives have been in the ascendancy twice in the last 30 years - once when Reagan got the presidency, and also the conservative backbencher revolt in the early nineties in congress. Much depends on how many conservatives can be elected, still an open question, plus the growing influence of conservatives and the diminishing reputation of RINOs. Everything is not static in politics.

So, you think that the Republicans are returning/will return/have returned to their conservative roots, and so won't do the same thing that they did the last time around?

I'm not so sure.

 

[Rick]

Oh, my bad. We weren't talking about anything that is at all likely to happen, but about what we'd like for Republicans to do when they get back into power.

I did inject some reality into the little fantasy flight, didn't I?

"Duhhhhhhh.......it ain't gonna happen" is injecting reality? Er...ahh.....ok........if you say so.

So, you think that the Republicans are returning/will return/have returned to their conservative roots

Do they show the news where you are?

I'm not so sure.

Nothing is guaranteed, but the trend is there. People have sampled the leftwing crapola for the first time in 70 years, and they've had enough.

 

[PLC1]

"Duhhhhhhh.......it ain't gonna happen" is injecting reality? Er...ahh.....ok........if you say so.

Perhaps not, but "It didn't happen that way the last time" is certainly injecting reality. Sorry to spoil the fun fantasy.

Do they show the news where you are?

Why, yes they do, as a matter of fact, and I don't see where the election has been held yet, let alone that the Republicans have regained power. Maybe we're just behind out here in the sticks, but what I'm seeing on Mayberry TV is that the Democrats and Republicans are rehashing the same tired talking points, except that the latter has renamed their contract with America.

Nothing is guaranteed, but the trend is there. People have sampled the leftwing crapola for the first time in 70 years, and they've had enough.

Nothing is guaranteed, but there is some great real estate in Arizona with a terrific ocean view, just as soon as the big one hits California and it drops off into the Pacific.

That Republicans will regain power is a good bet. That they will make any real changes is a pure fantasy, and not based on anything they have done in the past.

But, perhaps you're right. Maybe the problem is that the RINOs dominated the last time, and this time will be different.

So, who do you see as the Republican nominee in '12?