Protecting The Victims Of Socialized Health-Care!!!

[Mr. Shaman]

Maybe they just don't know....once it's so in-grained in their lifestyle!!!

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[Mare Tranquillity]

Maybe they just don't know....once it's so in-grained in their lifestyle!!!

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I'm always amazed that the general population living under one of the nationalized health care systems seem to like them just fine. Hawaii having had this kind of healthcare for 40 years is still here and the people like it.

Oh well, the Republicans say it can't be done and I'm sure they know. I'd like to see a comparison done between the system in Hawaii and the one that Obie and crew are putting forward.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'm always amazed that the general population living under one of the nationalized health care systems seem to like them just fine. Hawaii having had this kind of healthcare for 40 years is still here and the people like it.

Oh well, the Republicans say it can't be done and I'm sure they know.

Yeah, well....they knew Trickle-Down Economics would work, as well....


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[dogtowner]

its dead !

yeah, super idea

Seven months after instituting the only state child universal healthcare program in the country, Hawaii is dropping the plan. According to an AP article, the state could no longer afford the plan though it only enrolled about 2,000 of the state's estimated 3,500 to 16,000 uninsured children.

The plan, which was funded through roughly equal payments by the state and the private Hawaii Medical Service Association (HMSA), the state's largest healthcare provider, was supposed to cover all children without health insurance from birth to age 18 — "mostly immigrants and members of low-income families." Care was free except for a $7 copay for each doctor's visit. In conjunction with the cost of the plan, the state objected to the fact that families were dumping their private health insurance to enroll in the "free" plan.

The last is an inevitable occurrence when government tries to "manage" healthcare. The Cato Institute estimates that under the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) — a federally funded healthcare plan intended for children and run by states — up to 60 percent of the enrollees had dropped private coverage for "free" care. Freeloaders on the government dole are an unavoidable facet of government involvement in healthcare. So to are the end results of government involvement: rationing of care. This is true because people in public health programs perceive the care as free, and so they use them prolifically — for every twinge and ache - swamping the system.

The children who are no longer covered by the state healthcare plan can get insurance through HMSA for $55 per month or apply for Medicaid.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

its dead !​

No, it's lookin' like he was just "beached" for a while....

 

[GenSeneca]

its dead !

yeah, super idea

Oh come on.. It's not like government run healthcare actually leads to a reduction of services and a rationing of care, that's just Right Wing Fearmongering!

A budget deficit of 1.23 billion and outstanding debts of more than 8 billion dollars have resulted in Hawaii slashing Health Care services

Department of Health

• Abolishment of Dental Hygiene Services. Preventive services to students will no longer be offered.

• Abolishment of the Community Health Division and consolidation of services into the Tobacco Settlement program account.

• Restructuring and merging existing services into a new General Medical and Prevention Services Division.

• Reduction of 37 permanent positions (20% reduction) in the Adult Mental Health program for outpatient services.

• Reduction of 62 permanent positions (36% reduction) in the Family Health Services program.

• Reduction of 23 permanent positions (89% reduction) in the Public Health Nursing program relating to school health aides.

• Reduction of 37 permanent positions (63% reduction) in the Vector Control Branch.

Department of Human Services

• Elimination of HMS 212 (Cash Support for Aged, Blind, and Disabled Individuals) and consolidating services into HMS 202 (Aged, Blind, and Disabled Payments) and HMS 204 (General Assistance Payments).

• Curtailment of benefits in the Medicaid Adult Dental Services program to include emergency dental services only.

• Reduction of healthcare costs through implementation of managed care and the new Basic Health Hawaii plan.

• A reduction of 113 permanent positions (38% reduction) in the Medicaid program.

Department of Accounting and General Services

• Deletion of 57 permanent positions (30% reduction) in the Information Processing and Communications Services program.

• Deletion of 49 permanent positions (33% reduction) in the Custodial Services program.

 

[Gipper]

Great thread Shaman and it completely backfired on you.

Why do liberals and progressives continue to believe socialized medicine is effective when so much evidence is available that proves otherwise?

I really don't get it. Is it just that they love socialism in any form? Is it they just useful idiots and believe what elitists liberals tell them? Do they hate freedom?

Do they believe all controlling and ever expanding government the answer?

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