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One could not stop everyone everytime with any method, it's an imperfect world. So basically you are stating that there is no level beyond which you would not go, and I am saying that there are things that I would not do.  Not much room for discussion in that is there?  I do appreciate your hysterical examples though, it's so black and white for you: Millions die if I don't torture 2, life must be very simple for you.