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I've been shot at,  several times.  Those innercity gangs do NOT like you trying to keep their latest opposing faction member laying in a puddle of his own guts alive.  Thank god for EMS issues body armor right?  Though I suppose this has little bearing on the discussion,  no one cares that he's been shot at.  It lends no credence to his support of torture.   As for his argument concerning the british and their rifle lines,  this is completely different to that and that point hold absolutely as much purpose as my stories about being shot at by some guy in a blue bandana or red bandana,  depending on the day of the week.   Currently war is fought with a heavy amount of technology,  the battlescape is ever evolving as are our tactics.   to equate ground fighting tactics to torture chambers in any analogy is ridiculous.   We do modify our tactics in fighting the war.  Torture is not a strategy it is inhumanity.  The information coming from the tortured is always more suspect than testomony from a pathological liar.  To support torture makes you a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very sick person.


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