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No that is not what I'm saying - it is not what I agree with.  I often hear the argument in defense of torture go something like this (in defense of Abu Ghraib etc.) - at least we aren't sawing off their heads with dull knives - as if as long as we don't go quite that far, we are justified and people shouldn't be griping.


I don't happen to agree.  I think once institutionalized torture begins then we have already lost.


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