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Argument of emotion based on a false premise and a red herring.


What I would rather have is the companies who can't survive, file for bankruptcy. Under bankruptcy protection, they can restructure their businesses, renegotiate with the Unions, and once again become competitive domestically. However, in order to be competitive, the government needs to get their noses out of the car industry, end the CAFE standards and all other interference with the industry.


Will some people lose their jobs? Yes. Will everyone lose their job? No. Its going to be that way ANYWAY... The bailouts will only prolong the inevitable collapse of these failing industries.


GOVERNMENT CANNOT "FIX" THIS PROBLEM. But you think they should try anyway...


Aimed toward Democrats? Republicans got the whole bailout train rolling and the Democrats couldn't wait to jump on board. Now they look forward to being the engineer in the driver seat. I think BOTH parties have gone absolutely insane.... even Paulson is saying that we are in unknown territory trying experimental measures. If they are so big on experimental measures, why not just give the money to the people like I suggested? Oh sure, that sounds insane, but pumping the EXACT same amount of money into our major industries and banking institutions makes perfect sense.... :rolleyes: It was said that my plan would cause such massive inflation we would need wheel barrels to buy a loaf of bread... YET... the EXACT SAME amount of money going to industry and banks, according to you, "causes inflation" but you think that inflation is manageable whereas the resultant inflation from my suggestion, of an equal sum, would not be manageable...



Oh no, I agree.... There are precious few conservatives and none of them have come anywhere close to getting substantive power in Washington for decades.... Yet all your leftist buddies blame conservatives and conservatism for every ill that befalls our nation, and you never bother to correct them.



More red herrings.... Yes, we are a welfare state:





In January 2007, the same month Democrats took control of Congress, CBO projected an $800 billion surplus over the 2008-2017 period.


Its been on credit for DECADES!!!!!  54 trillion in unfunded liabilities in Social Security ALONE.... I hesitate to once again point out that Socialism DOESN'T work, because I know when people like you hear the word "socialism" you get all defensive and pretend like the policies we've been following are not socialist - and point to the fact that government doesn't (yet) "own" 100% of industry....



I didn't find it that unrealistic... at least with my plan, we could proudly declare we are a socialist welfare state, eliminate poverty and potentially eliminate felonious crimes.


Your generation amazes me.... Where do you think the money comes from to fund those programs? You are stripping me of my right to property - without due process - to fund such altruistic endeavors. If you feel so strongly that someone needs a grant, or public housing, or reduced medical costs... Here's a RADICAL idea.... PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. Take up a collection from the bleeding heart handwringers... Don't FORCE others to contribute through the power of government... that's tyranny. Try reading what the founders had to say about the purpose of government and the limits on its power, only then will you begin to understand how perverted and twisted the general welfare clause has become. The exact wording is: Promote the general welfare... it doesn't say: Provide the general welfare - but thats what its come to mean according to people like yourself (who then say you "don't buy" that we are a welfare state).


You're out of luck there... you voted for someone who's promising to continue the "failed policy" of deficit spending. And all the Democrat lackeys in Congress are on board for that bus ride into oblivion.


Go to page 4 of THIS document from the Congressional Budgeting Office....

Notice that REGARDLESS OF TAX RATES, the revenue to the government averages about 18% of the total GDP. You want MORE revenue? Allow the GDP to grow! Raising taxes INHIBITS the GDP's growth and the government CANNOT force the GDP to rise... but that won't stop them from trying... again. And listen closely to the guy you voted for... he clearly says his interest in raising taxes is NOT about revenue... its about that ever nebulous emotional argument of "Fairness".

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On a side note... I would have responded earlier but you're not going to listen to anything I say anyway, nobody on your side does, so I'd rather focus my energies on talking to people willing to listen with an open mind. You seem only to look down your nose at me, like this is some contest to be won, you clearly have an ax to grind and you want me to be the wheel... Find another wheel.


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